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By alphaa10 ·
WINDOWS 32 OR 64?

Windows 32 confines most users to about 3gb of active system memory, with perhaps 1gb for internal system functions.

Windows 64 allows use of much more than 3gb, depending on the system, and 64 may be a prudent migration for Windows 7 users, as matters seem to be headed.

Because, considering the way web apps, stand-alone apps and other, "camp follower" apps like media player and update reminders sprawl over system memory, it seems Windows was never designed for efficiency, only to serve as a power-hungry shell and circus tent for a raucous crowd of developers of varied talent. Of course, I am being too kind...

My questions--

1. The Opener-- Windows 64 is somewhat more attractively priced, but are there any obvious negatives to moving from 32- to 64-bit Windows? (Presuming the CPU is OK with 64-bit and I have enough space)

2. My reading tells me Windows 64 easily accommodates 32-bit Windows applications, in most cases. But does this impose a penalty on a system mixing 32 and 64-bit Winapps-- ie. should I keep only 64-bit apps on the 64-bit partition?

3. Because many users desire to keep the home / office network as it is, and add Windows 64 one box at a time, what network disruptions should be expected? For example, will a system backup that works well across a 32-bit network (when run to or from a 32-bit machine) now have problems with the 64-bit box?

4. As a general principle, is it better to convert all network boxes to 64-bit, instead of leaving some as they are, with 32-bit?

5. What has been your favorite source of really useful information about Windows 64 problems and fixes-- both migration and "gotchas"?

6. What led you to migrate to Windows 64 (of any Windows version)?

7. Were you completely successful on first try?

8. Are you happy with the results-- was it worth the effort (really?)

Eight questions is a big target, so attempt as many as your knowledge and stamina allow. Thanks-- many others will benefit from your experience !

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by CharlieSpencer In reply to Windows 32 or 64

I'm not sure how many unbiased responses you'll get after your trollish opening comments. If you don't like Windows, why are you running it?

With that out of the way,

1. I'd make sure 64-bit drivers are available for all components in a system before beginning.

3. Unless your backup requires a client piece that isn't available for 64, you shouldn't have any problems. If the directories are shared and have the same permissions as those on the 32 boxes, the b/u utility should see treat it the same way.

4. I see no reason to convert all boxes.

2, 6, 7, and 8. I'm just loaded the 64-bit version of W7 two days ago, but haven't had time to load any apps on it yet. I'm looking at its potential for deploying as our standard client OS, replacing 32-bit XP. The installation was painless and swift, but since I haven't loaded any apps it's too soon to call it a success or not.

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by alphaa10 In reply to Random responses.

No troll here, just a veteran of Windows malfunctions (it has been good business for me), and I run Windows to reach the apps and service customers with Windows machines.

Windows 7 has gotten generally good reviews, and we might think after so many versions, MS has begun to do Windows consistently better. I hope so, although I always can use more repair business.

Your recounting about Windows 64 is reassuring and honest, and thanks for the information.

BTW-- how much system RAM on each of your W64 client boxes?

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Just a single box

by CharlieSpencer In reply to Thanks

I've only got the one 64-bit test system. It's brand new HP Optiplex 960, 4 gig of RAM, 3 Ghz.

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Well my answers to your questions

by OH Smeg In reply to Windows 32 or 64

1. The Opener-- Windows 64 is somewhat more attractively priced, but are there any obvious negatives to moving from 32- to 64-bit Windows? (Presuming the CPU is OK with 64-bit and I have enough space)

As 64 Bit hardware has been around for a long time now you have to make sure that you can get the necessary 64 Bit Drivers for the Hardware that you intend to use. Shouldn't be a problem with new Hardware but it could be if the Hardware has a few years on it now.

2. My reading tells me Windows 64 easily accommodates 32-bit Windows applications, in most cases. But does this impose a penalty on a system mixing 32 and 64-bit Winapps-- ie. should I keep only 64-bit apps on the 64-bit partition?

Not that I have noticed as the 32 Bit Applications are installed to a Program Folder for 32 Bit Apps and the 64 Bit ones are installed tot he 64 Bit Program Folder. Naturally 64 Bit programs should be faster but I have not noticed any major performance differences between the 32 & 64 Bit Software. Though at the moment there is still a majority of 32 Bit Software and very little 64 Bit Software.

3. Because many users desire to keep the home / office network as it is, and add Windows 64 one box at a time, what network disruptions should be expected? For example, will a system backup that works well across a 32-bit network (when run to or from a 32-bit machine) now have problems with the 64-bit box?

Shouldn't make any difference except for possibly 7 needs to be added tot he existing Network and as 7 is different to the previous OS's from M$ it's not the same as adding another XP Box. Also if the Backup Software you are using requires Client Loading it needs to be 7 Compatible though most works with either 32 or 64 Bit versions you'll need to check that out before starting the migration.

4. As a general principle, is it better to convert all network boxes to 64-bit, instead of leaving some as they are, with 32-bit?

Depends on the network Topology but most times it's perfectly OK to add 64 Bit Boxes in place of 32 Bit Boxes though if you move to a 64 Bit Application that becomes the Standard for the office you'll need all boxes to be running 64 Bit OS's. The big possible disadvantage is that with a mix of 32 & 64 Bit OS you'll be tempted to run the 32 Bit Software that is the Standard for that business on the 64 Bit Boxes instead of buying the new Software and running it. Of course there are things to be said for a standard Software Load in a business but it all depends on what is involved.

5. What has been your favorite source of really useful information about Windows 64 problems and fixes-- both migration and "gotchas"?

The M$ Windows 7 Tech net and TR.

6. What led you to migrate to Windows 64 (of any Windows version)?

The hardware that I use. It seems pointless to be able to load 24 GIG of RAM and not use it.

7. Were you completely successful on first try?

Yes

8. Are you happy with the results-- was it worth the effort (really?)

Yes there was no difference moving to 64 Bit Platforms then what there was moving from 16 to 32 Bit Platforms. Only difference was that this time it's taken considerably longer to get useful 64 Bit Platforms out.

Col

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by alphaa10 In reply to Well my answers to your q ...

Thanks for your lengthy response-- it answered all my concerns, and like Palmetto, you seem happy enough with the outcome. That is a good sign this far into the operation.

Both of you identified drivers and hardware as the principal gotcha, but after some nine years of XP and Vista development, some things are bound to need attention.

In any case, Windows is noted for one of the best records with hardware of any OS, and I give MS its due on that.

BTW-- how much system RAM do you have, or plan to add to each of your 64-bit boxes?

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RE:- BTW-- how much system RAM do you have, or plan to add

by OH Smeg In reply to Enjoyed Your Reply

My personal system runs 24 GIG of system RAM with a 2 GIG Video Card.

Most systems however I fit 8 GIG and a 512 MEG or 1 GIG Video Card to depending on what they are doing.

I have found that 16 GIG with a 2 GIG Video Card works well for Games and my system is used for CAD type applications and Video Editing.

With 32 Bit Systems I fit 4 GIG of System Memory in 2 X 2 Gig Modules for Dual Chanel RAM with a 512 MEG or 1 GIG Video Card.

However I've only been using the 64 Bit version of 7 for a short time and it's always been for high end users. Though I must admit that Mandriva or Debian 64 Bit OS's work a treat on my personal System 7 Ultimate 64 Bit is somewhat slower and I don't see much improvement over the 64 Bit Version of XP for my needs.

However if I was into games that may be a different story.

Col

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