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WIndows Installations - USB 3.0 problem?

By kimbo20_cy ·
Hi everybody. I use to have my windows installation on USB instead of using CD/DVD's along with all the apps + drivers i need for my pc. Started with various brands before, with capacities of 8,16,32GB USB 2.0 and recently moved on to a Sandisk extreme 64GB USB 3.0.

For my setup i use apps like Rufus, universal usb installer, yumi, even the windows 7 usb tool.

The problem is that with this new USB no windows installation can create / find partitions during the setup. Tried windows 7 32&64 bit, windows 8 32&64 bit, tried diskpart to create partitions on numerous pc.. Nothing works. Even tried various format types for the usb.

I am sure the above mentioned apps are not the problem, not the applications i use nor the windows setup files, because i repeat the same procedure with any of the other usb 2.0 i have and all work fine.

Is this a general USB 3.0 problem, so i should just stick to my USB 2.0 ? Or is it even just my own memory stick that has a problem?



**Just to note that i am trying to install using usb 2.0 and 3.0 ports onboard, no other extra cards or anything! Also, it's clean installation on a single disk, set as primary, formatted and with no problems or various partitions on it! Also tried it on other PC's and still not working! Linux installations work fine though..



Thanks in advance for your responses!

**Contacted Sandisk and what they understood from all i said is "that i need help to create a bootable usb" and they can be of no help on the subject :-)

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'Load Drivers' from Disk ...

by Sven2157 In reply to WIndows Installations - U ...

Is Windows installed on the USB 3.0 stick, or are you trying to install Windows from this stick? Or are you trying to install Windows onto the stick?

Either way, Windows will most likely not see the stick for what it is, until you load drivers for it.

During installation you can load the drivers, via the 'Advanced Options' button. Then click the 'Load Drivers' button. On the stick navigate to the USB 3.0 Drivers, and select the appropriate one; assuming that the drivers are not zipped. This is much like the RAID F6 driver disk procedure.

Hope that helps! ;-)

Sven2157

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by kimbo20_cy In reply to 'Load Drivers' from Disk ...

Hi, thanks for the answer. Appreciate the effort! Sorry for the delay but I had problems replying as I posted in another post :-/
Well, I am trying to install windows to a hard disk using my USB 3.0 instead of using a CD/DVD medium. Been doing my windows installations these last years using USB 2.0 memory sticks just fine.
There is no problem with drivers since everything is identified just fine!
Every time the windows installation begins just fine, identifies the hard disk, even lets me delete the partitions on the disk but when I use "next" it gives me an error where it sais no partition could be found or created! Even if I create the partitions using the commands in diskpart or even use a pre-partitioned HDD, I still get the same error!
What i am really curious is if it is a general windows installation flaw regarding usb 3.0 memory sticks or it's just my own usb.. hmm..

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by kimbo20_cy In reply to 'Load Drivers' from Disk ...

Here is a link with a picture of the problem I am facing!

www(.)dropbox(.)com/s/4lhbj9ivblbfcoc/ospartition.jpg?v=0swn-

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by kimbo20_cy In reply to 'Load Drivers' from Disk ...

used ( ) since it wouldn't let me post the link

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by Sven2157 In reply to 'Load Drivers' from Disk ...

When the Installation starts, it will see what you have. However, when it starts to actually install, it will not be able to see the USB 3.0, as these devices still need OEM drivers. As far as I know, Windows 7 is not prepackaged with compatible, generic drivers for the 3.0 series thumb drives. When you load the drivers at install time, Windows will use them, and continue with the install; the second you leave that partition screen, Windows works off everything that it has loaded.

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WINDOWS INSTALLATION 3.0 PROBLEM

by jchap100321 In reply to WIndows Installations - U ...

When it comes to Windows you have to either install it from the cloud to a Physical Drive that is the only way Windows will see the drive partition, unless you put it into a Virtual Environment in the BIOS (WHICH I RECCOMMEND A PROFESSIONAL DO) Then install it there and then run it. Windows needs to have a physical HD (Hard Drive) destination to load to run. Microsoft uses the 3.0 predominantly as strictly backup drives and not primary drives so the restrict that capability to where the thumbnail drive is strictly used only as a means to repair windows.

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by kimbo20_cy In reply to WINDOWS INSTALLATION 3.0 ...

Thanks a lot for the answer! As it seems then, I will stick to USB 2.0 as I 've been doing for the last few years for my windows installations.. That is unfortunate though :-/
Thanks again, appreciate your response!

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by Sven2157 In reply to WINDOWS INSTALLATION 3.0 ...

I strongly disagree with this answer ... If that were true, then what is the following used for? Windows 7 USB/DVD download tool

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Installing Windows via USB 3.0

by raycid In reply to WIndows Installations - U ...

The problem is that windows does not have usb 3.0 drivers built into it, if you are installing from the usb, it get to a point where it will not see the usb drive you are installing it from, to solve this problem, get the chipset drivers for the computer and extract them, burn the drivers onto a cd/dvd, when u get to the point where it ask you for a driver, browse the cd, look for the usb 3.0 controller driver, or something equivlent, you should get it to work eventually.

I had this same problem that is how I solved it.

Either will solve the problem or you will need to install the computers raid drivers, the problem is not with the stick because if the computer is using usb2.0 ports, the stick is backward compatible, so either the computers you are installing on all have 3.0 usb ports, or you are not install the necessary raid drivers.

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New BIOS and USB Booting

by TheChas In reply to WIndows Installations - U ...

If I understand your problem, you have the following:

You can boot to the Windows Installer that is on your USB drive.

But, you cannot see the system hard drive to create or install to a partition.

I have had issues with new BIOS software making it more difficult to boot from USB. Once you get the Boot device and emulation settings correct, it appears that the BIOS is limiting a USB boot to one of 2 options. Either flash the BIOS, or run from the USB device and ignore the system drives.

Also, as stated in other answers, Windows and the Windows Installation software have only basic drivers. The Windows Installer supports USB keyboards and mice, but has little if any support for a USB peripheral.

Another feature of large capacity USB flash drives is that they may use file compression software, and actually require a fully functional OS to decompress the data stored on the drive.

Final thought, USB 3.0 is more apt to be from a separate controller chip and not built into the chip-set. Therefore, unlike USB 2.0, you don't have direct access to the rest of the system until the driver are installed. For many years, we did not try booting from USB for this same basic reason. You did not have a route to the main system through the discrete USB controller chip until the drivers were installed.

Chas

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