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Windows Vs. Novell - Who is better? Why?

By Bratt ·
Alright it's getting to be about that time where we are re-evaluating our server software and getting ready to upgrade or change what we are using. Currently we have Novell 4.11 and it's been rock solid, but (don't get mad Oz) I need to look at what is right for the company as far as integrating other software and ERP applications, the users, and TCO figures. Opinions anyone? Why Windows or why not, why Novell or why not? No this is not for a college paper this is for my research I was asked to do for work. I need to hear from others with hands on experience what their opinions are and why they think what they do.

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by Oz_Media In reply to Windows Vs. Novell - Who ...

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Windows Vs. Novell - Who is better? Why?

by Infini-T In reply to Windows Vs. Novell - Who ...

Bratt, just off hand & some of the things to keep in mind. Firstly, what is your precursor. Are we keeping up with technology or do we have a need to optimise the current systems. Secondly, do we have a budget to execute the Project and how much? Then, a high level integration diagram & possible systems required. If this is going to affect Users/Management, who's going to train them? Next, identify your options in terms of compatibility and support for your DB's and Applications. Don't forget annual royalty and Licensing - you know who ;-). Keep in mind that you have to also plan for resources (inhouse/vendor) to support and maintain your OS, DB & Applications.

The Why's
Microsoft - If you can fit in budget + do not need a Financial Consultant, I'm sure anyone can install and configure any M$ OS/APP by tiral & error / shooting in the dark | No offence ;-) - http://www.microsoft.com/BusinessSolutions/SmallBusinessFinancials/default.aspx (60 Days Trial)

Novell - Personally, never liked it or bothered to invest my time. Have a look at what comes with the SuSE Linux Solutions they've got in place.

Mandrake Linux (http://www.mandrake.com) - Have been running 10.0 Offical for about 1 year now (DEV Box):-
All on Apache, MySQL & PHP (via IE/Mozilla clients)
- ERP
- CRM
- Document Management
- Postfix/Cyrus (Mail)
- Amavis AV
- Samba + LDAP + Domain Auth(File Server)
- Firewall/Proxy | On separate box (www.smoothwall.org)

Linux Distro Rating: http://www.distrowatch.com says it all.
Also see http://sourceforge.net

NOTE: The Solutions you choose obviously depend on the size of your organization. You have to invest time if you want to cut costs down to a minimum. Are you going to be recognized for it?

REMBEMBER: If you are involving Vendors >> Prove of concept ALL THE TIME... for your Business Case.

COST RECOVERY: Negotiate Hardware/Software trade-in/discounts if you are upgrading/integrating from the same Product Vendor.

Good Luck!
Stanley,
IT Planner/Specialist, Telecoms, South Africa

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Novell wins on features, but that's not the only consideration.

by jkozura In reply to Windows Vs. Novell - Who ...

If you compare Novell 4.x to Windows 2000 Server feature for feature, you will find that Novell wins. Newer versions of Novell win over 2003 Server by even more. Windows Server 2003 attempts to emulate some of the more useful functions of Novell, but still lacks functionality when you look at the details.
Compare the Salvage function of Novell 4.x with Volume Shadow Copy in Win Server 2003. In later versions of Novell, the users can salvage the files themselves.
Netware has reliable and efficient volume compression. Have you ever used Windows file compression?
Active Directory vs eDirectory/NDS? I'm not even going to get started.
NWAdmin vs controls scattered all through Windows Explorer and the Control Panels?
BUT, and this is a big BUT...the majority of everyone else is using Windows. So if you want to do the mainstream thing that will not raise any eyebrows, and will work with just about everything, but without some features you may be used to, then Windows is your choice.
If you want something that works just a little better feature for feature, go with Novell. I can't speak to your software and ERP compatibility, but I wouldn't expect that to be a dealbreaker here.
You haven't mentioned Linux at all, which is another option. If you are going to stay in the Novell world, you will want to start familiarizing yourself with Linux also. I think that people who like working with Novell, also tend to like Linux, and pick it up easily.
John Kozura IV
IS Manager

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A little out of date, I must say!

by Oz_Media In reply to Novell wins on features, ...

Firstly, your comments for the most part are accurate.

As far as NWAdmin, hasn't been used for years now, the morse robust and remotesly administerable Console One replaced that several releases ago.

as for Linux, in case you are not familiar with the newer Novell, they have aquired Ximian in 2003 and have been releasing NOvell LInux Desktops, XD2 and the more popular Suse Linux for a couple of years now. The new NOvell 7 will be completely basedon the linux kernel. All the major server manufacturers, IBM HP et al. have been spending millions and working closely with NOvell to provide NOvell LInux servers form the manufacturer.

So you comments about Novell's strengths were accurate, the technology you spoke of is a little old and outated. We have actually been discussing Novell Suse Linux in depth here.

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You have made some good points

by Bratt In reply to Novell wins on features, ...

Thank you for the post you have made some good points.

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What are you doing with it

by Komodo In reply to Windows Vs. Novell - Who ...

If you are going to do file and printer sharing anything that works with your workstations will be fine and the choice then becomes what can you support.

If you are running applications like accounting, crm and so on you are limiting your options by ignoring Windows as at least part of the solution. Yes, there are open source options for these applications but the functionality does not compare and the level of knowledge needed to get them running is quite different.

Choose your applications then use those choices to determine the best network OS.

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Hybrid's

by Oz_Media In reply to What are you doing with i ...

Yes I also suggested a hybrid (mixed) environment with NOvell as the backbone and MS running the ERP.

One point you did raise that just doesn't stand up is dektop functionality.

NOvell and Suse Desktops look, feel and act exactly the same as Windows desktops, as do the software offerings.
Remember MOST good CRM's and acounting packages are NOT MS products at all, but are simply made to work WITH MS. Most of these vendors also offer Novell solutions that are pretty much identical.

In fact, MOST more well known accounting solutions are Unix based, which is a piece of cake with Novell. Keeping in mind, Novell works and manages a mixed environment, with MS you need to be a magician.

As far as user training, I haven't had any issues swapping users form MS to SuSe, in fact support calls dropped by a long shot.

So I agree that you have valid points in that it is best to check the application needs and support first I disagree with your assumptions of usabiility.

Either way, in BOTH of these cases, Novell still holds up most of the time, while offering greater security, managability and uptime.

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What are the well-known accounting solutions?

by Komodo In reply to Hybrid's

I am very curious to know what the good, well-known accounting and crm solutions you refer to are.

I have been looking for a good mid-market accounting solution that works well on Linux for some time now but have not found anything I could use outside of unique needs that cannot be met elsewhere.

Compiere: how much does Larry want for his database again? Oh yeah, he has to compete with Bill for the largest, most expensive house in the US! The rest of Compiere looks fairly good if it can add FIFO and LIFO inventory costing as well as a database other than Oracle. DB2 Express is not unreasonably priced so it could be one option.

On the desktop I disagree that Windows and Linux desktops are equivalent. If your users have very specific functions they may be equivalent but for most users I have encountered I would have more problems than benefits generated by a switch from Windows.

Some other items to consider are what Linux _equivalents_ are there for the following:

CAD
Crystal Reports
Accounting (mid-market and above)
CRM
Project Management
Time & Billing
EDI
Warehouse Management
Serialized Inventory
MRP

BTW, when I say equivalent I mean functionally equivalent not just targeting a similar functional sub-set for the application. For example, the accounting solution must support multi-currency transactions correctly, be a proper double-entry system, provide decent security and work with some good tools for reporting (see Crystal Reports).

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Samco Power accounting for one

by Oz_Media In reply to What are the well-known a ...

Samco is Unix based, they have ported it to Windows but not very well, also they have a Novell copy but ut is pretty nasty as it is a small windowed option only.

"n fact, MOST more well known accounting solutions are Unix based,

Running Unix it's great though. I think it a Real World product underneath, but I forget now.

http://www.samco.com/

Mixed with the Sales Analysis tools it will also offer a tightly integrated sales cycle tracking solution.


As for CRM, other than the obvious that you mentioned, I generally have worked with much larger client bases than most businesses require (300,000#'s +) such as the Davox Unison System software or custom from Database Systems.

Another more industry focused solution I like is TigerPaw software but it is pretty much only good for interconnects unless modified.

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Novell is still much more reliable than Windows.

by TKF In reply to Windows Vs. Novell - Who ...

The newer versions are just as rock solid as the older versions. I currently have 2 Netware 6.5 servers that haven't had an abend since their startup 2 years ago. They have been taken down for updates on service packages, but that's the extent. They handle the traffic quite well and the new inovations that Novell continues to come out with makes this option very viable for the future. My question to Windows server advocates out there, when was the last time you could say that about a Windows Server and their blue screens of death?

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