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By lazarusco ·
I am cognizant of the prevalence of Windows-based networks
and operating system, but what about the 8 million folks using
personally or connected to Apple computers/networks? The
reason I write this is that as IT folks, we have a responsibility to
at least INFORM the client of the advantages of the OS X
network. How can you improve on perfection? That is the real
question facing Mac Security consultants. The system has a
perfect record. Viruses? Trojans?

I do Mac networking consulting for a living and I try to explain to
companies that they don't need a security team anymore. Also,
workers using the OS X Jaguar and Panther servers via
workstations are statistically much more productive than their
Windows counterparts.

So, not only does a company save money by saving staff, but it
also saves in purchasing. The ugly myth that Macs are more
expensive and slower than PCs has been shattered. A study
completed in December determined that feature for feature,
Macs are significantly less expensive for personal computers
AND their X-Serve Servers are so much cheaper than the
competition that it is embarassing. We are talking like 60 to 75
percent cheaper! Just ask Virginia Tech, who was wooed by Dell
and Apple for their 1100 computer Super Computer. Within a
week, VT had settled on Apple because their price was much
cheaper at regular price than Dell's were WITH their best
quantity difference.

I think we have a responsibility to our employers/clients to
inform them of these facts. Also, why would ANYONE choose an
operating system that comes with all its port OPEN? The inertia/
momentum generated by Microsoft, paired with the greed of Bill
Gates has combined to create a dangerously bloated, unstable,
unsecure, and expensive system. Mac overhauls and updates OS
X about once per year but the next OS isn't coming from
Microsoft until 2006. Even the improvements planned for XP
aren't hitting the market until 2005. I can't, in good conscience,
pass on bad technology to my clients unless they make an
informed decision.

Anyone have any thoughts? Please don't respond with
unsupported opinions. I supported my writing with actual facts,
so let's have a constuctive discussion!


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Mac vs PCs

by mrbill- In reply to Windoze-Centric

Ok you posted "facts".

"A study completed in December determined that feature for feature, Macs are significantly less expensive for personal computers AND their X-Serve Servers are so much cheaper than the competition that it is embarassing. We are talking like 60 to 75 percent cheaper!"

Who did the study? Who funded the study? If this is that study Mac funded then I can show gobs of M$ funded studies to counter.

I will not argue that Macs are not being attacked as much as PCs so they seem more secure. But with the approxamate 90% market for M$ is it any wonder that they get the most hits.

Macs are good systems but M$ compatible software floods the store shelves while you almost have to go to specialty stores to find Mac software.

Open source OSs are cheaper than Mac OS, and they run on PC compatible systems that are cheaper than Mac hardware, and are not proprietary to boot.

I hope I did not ruffle feathers, just MHO.

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In rehards to NOS

by Oz_Media In reply to Windoze-Centric

Well you have a valid opinion regarding the desktop, but what about Novell for desktops, or even providing a comparisson to the same employer regarding a Novell NOS.

Now I know Apple has a great and stable OS, but do you REALLY think that the NOS's even come near to what Netware can provide? I know MS doesn't but that's a no brainer.

So when saying that we should be introducing ALL possibilities, how about Novell/linux on desktops? Cost is much lower, there are over 2000 available modules that are included with it, including Office suites, graphics programs etc.

When you buy Windoze or Mac, how much would it cost he company to deploy the same BUILT in functionality of a Netware/Linux desktop? Thousands more per workstation.

So why not open ALL doors then, MAC, Linux, Windoze, Netware etc. Instead of simply PC or OSX?

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Those are not my decision criteria.

by DC_GUY In reply to Windoze-Centric

1. Speed? It's hard to decide whether Macs are more slower than PCs. The difference varies depending on what you're trying to do with your computer. Many home users find Macs to be faster. Some of that is just from a less counterintuitive interface that requires less tearing out of one's hari, some of it is from spending less of one's time learning to be a software mechanic and therefore having more time for productive work. In an office environment this profile changes because most businesses have at least one computer expert who can solve the rest of the staff's problems most of the time. ... 2. Cost? It's also hard to decide which is more expensive. Time = money. If Macs are slower then you have to buy more iron to do the job. ... 3. Availability of software? There's less commercial software available to run on Macs, but this disadvantage was seriously mitigated by VirtualPC. It's most satisfactory with text interfaces today, but clearly it will conquer graphics eventually. Artists already overwhelmingly prefer Macs so the problem clearly isn't all that serious. Even in a corporation that is 100% Windows by executive mandate, the advertising department is very likely a Mac oasis. The best graphics software is apparently already running on Macs. Furthermore, corporations love to build their own software, even middleware, so the platform doesn't matter. Which brings us to: ... 4. Quality! The attribute nobody talks about. Only ten percent of the full-life-cycle cost of software systems is spent on development. The rest is spent desperately trying to keep it running, plus the indirect cost of idle staff and lost customers during downtime and recovery from data corruption. Even taking into consideration the cost of hardware, it's fair to say that America spends the majority of its IT budget on repairs and work-arounds for defective software. In fact, sixty percent of America's software "developers" are tied up doing software repair. (Capers Jones, 2001) ... Conclusion. So, if I were a CIO, I would choose an architecture that gives my staff the best environment for building software that works right in the first place and requires less fixing in the long run. I certainly wouldn't buy an OS with defects that have gone unidentified and uncorrected for six years until some hacker stumbles into a back door! In other words, Windows is out of the running. So if you're going to sell me PCs, you'd better have an alternative OS loaded on them that is as good as Jaguar. Does Linux or Unix provide a more stable operational and development environment than Windows, much less OS/X? My suspicion is that the PC architecture itself is largely to blame for defects in the software that is designed for it. I've been told that each PC architecture is an upgrade from the previous generation, that its heart is still one that was designed for a keyboard, monochrome, text-only interface with no telecommunication. Whereas, the story goes, Apple throws away every architecture and designs each new generation from scratch for the environment in which it will be operating... and therefore has to do the same thing with its OS. The downside is no cross-generation compatibility, the upside is no leftover archaic code. I don't know if this is true, perhaps you do. But for me this is the deal breaker. I don't care how much the things cost, how fast they run, or how many fly-by-night software houses market programs that run on a particular computer. What I do care about is whether it will provide me with an environment in which my programmers, end users, and executives can do their jobs efficiently without having to call in every morning to see if the network is up, and without shaping their work habits around the idiosyncracies of the hardware on their desks and the OS that runs on it.

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