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    Woman working in IT

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    by er9797 ·

    Have you any idea agree for woman working in IT should be given a salary bonus if they are the only woman in their team or group, please give us a point for agree this argument

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    • #3570280

      treating them diftly would discriminate

      by dr dij ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      Sounds like blatant discrimination to give someone a bonus based on their gender.

      • #3570268

        Yeah…

        by pandadude ·

        In reply to treating them diftly would discriminate

        Where did he/she get the idea to ask this ?

      • #3570706

        I agree with this colleague

        by mrspock57 ·

        In reply to treating them diftly would discriminate

        Gender, ethnics, age or any other consideration, apart from knwoledge, experience and performance COULD NOT and MUST NOT be considered for the money you get in your job.

        A different consideration is that the employer must encourage and take positive actions that assure there are no kind of such discrimination among co-workers.

      • #3547974

        Stupid

        by jrakitin ·

        In reply to treating them diftly would discriminate

        Personally, I think that is ths stupidest idea I have ever heard. AND I have heard a lot of stupid ideas! Bonuses should be based on PERFORMANCE NOT GENDER!

        If you were trying to elicit an angry response, it worked.

    • #3570952

      don’t agree

      by jacmari ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      I don’t want to get more pay just because I’m a woman. It would be discrimination on the companies part. Woman should never get special treatment.

      Just my opinion.. =)

      • #3547976

        Reply To: Woman working in IT

        by smithce ·

        In reply to don’t agree

        I am a woman and have worked in the IT field for 25 years. I think I have been respected for my abilities as a tech and I hate to think that the only reason I am in my position is because I am a woman. If I were paid a bonus for being the only woman on a team, then I could only surmise that others felt that I was overcoming a handicap of some kind. Being a woman is NOT a handicap.

    • #3570948

      Reply To: Woman working in IT

      by acchong ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      Any other reason beside just because of she is a woman for such idea?

      • #3570812

        Other duties

        by rmcdonald ·

        In reply to Reply To: Woman working in IT

        She might be getting extra for getting coffee. 🙂

        • #3570702

          I thought it was a seriuos forum…

          by mrspock57 ·

          In reply to Other duties

          Or perhaps Mr. Ronald is the one who is doing wrong here (please McDonald can you bring me a BigMac with french fries and diet soda…?).

        • #3570655

          Good one…

          by rmcdonald ·

          In reply to I thought it was a seriuos forum…

          I usually do consider this a serious forum, but I was unable to resist (this topic is a joke). I offer my sincere apology to the politically correct police.

          BTW, good comeback, I’ve never heard that one before.

        • #3546714

          I’ll get your coffee…

          by itbutterfly ·

          In reply to Good one…

          I can tell you Mr. McDonald that if you got coffee from this female tech, you wouldn’t enjoy were I put it.

    • #3570780

      why?

      by gmonguzzi ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      I don’t see any valid reason to do so

    • #3570778

      Based on What ??? Why ???

      by jimhm ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      First – What is the question about. Do I agree that the only female on a team should get a bonus just for being the only female…. No – Unless you were are an ass and treat her with such disrespect that you are scared she is going to sue the pants off you for other events you have pulled.

      You – don’t give much information about it… if you would give just her a bonus – you would be in court really fast – you would kill the morale of all the other team members – you would destroy her within the corporation – (people would think she got the bonus of other services). So if you want to distroy this women – give her the bonus – and see how fast the rest of the team – distroys you – her and the project. Plus I truly don’t believe she wouldappreciate the bonus just for being the only female… she would feel like a token … You would disrepect her and her knowledge and skills.

      Don’t be stupid – come up with a better reason for the bonus ..

      • #3570765

        Absolutely out of the question !

        by mbh ·

        In reply to Based on What ??? Why ???

        I am the only woman in the team and always have been where ever I go. I wish to be treated the same as my counterparts, be they male or female. I would object very loudly if I were to be given a bonus based on the fact that I am the only woman in the team !!I am not just a token – I wish to be respected like my male colleagues. This would belittle me. I would object strongly.

        • #3548001

          Wow

          by o.kinseyjr ·

          In reply to Absolutely out of the question !

          Great response to a tough question.

        • #3546908

          Yeah sure you would.

          by gruvdog ·

          In reply to Absolutely out of the question !

          Like I believe that “noble” reply. Where are the PC Police anyway???

        • #3546896

          Why wouldn’t you –

          by jimhm ·

          In reply to Yeah sure you would.

          Thats pretty bad – you can’t believe an honest reply – I guess MRwrigh you are should use the name “MRWrong”… I wouldn’t want to work for you – if you can trusth people on face value…

        • #3546195

          Personal assault

          by gruvdog ·

          In reply to Why wouldn’t you –

          Jim:
          I may not agree with you. I don’t care if you agree with me, HOWEVER, Your reply made use of my name in a slanderous fashion. This makes you a name caller. I do not stoop to name calling. I do not appreciate your doing so. It makes you seem small. Are You?

          My comments and perspectives are direct straightforward and sometimes caustic. This does not give you the right to personnaly attack me. You do not know me.

          I will say that you are correct. You wouldn’t want to work for me. In fact, if you are no more mature than you seem, you wouldn’t get so far as a second interview in my hiring process.

          Let’s remain on opposite sides of the planet shall we.

        • #3546873

          Lets calm down

          by james r linn ·

          In reply to Personal assault

          Your caustic comment to Jim implied you did not believe he was telling the truth. You called him less than truthful. Is that any less harmful than name calling?

          He was obviously hurt and made fun of your name.

          You both stooped to personal attacks in the heat of discussion.

          This isn’t the time or place for escalating personal jibes at each other, its a forum to discuss technical issues.

          Move on.

          James

        • #3546813

          Thank You

          by gruvdog ·

          In reply to Lets calm down

          Thank you for the balance. Actually, my reply was to MBH who seemed completely disingenuous and phony. I simply put it in the WRong place.

          Jim: You’re still out of line…PERIOD!

        • #3567373

          Need to get real

          by jimhm ·

          In reply to Lets calm down

          I agree – Move on

          First I was not upset or hurt buy his / hers distrust of their fellow person. I was more disappointed in the fact that he / she does not accept people at face value. Which in the business world isn’t a good thing.

          But to get upset because of a Ha Ha name – GET A FREEKING LIFE – DO YOU REMEMBER SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 (I lost brothers and sisters and many others did also)- REMEMBER DECEMBER 7, 1941 (lost an Uncle) – and all the other things in this world to get upset about… WELL EXCEUSEEEEEEEEE MEEEE… GET A LIFE… “Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt Me..” remember when you were a kid..Grow Up or are you 13 thats why your not in the Peer Review?-

      • #3570710

        Working women in IT

        by dan_tap ·

        In reply to Based on What ??? Why ???

        I think this the 22nd century we are living at, women should not be discriminated in work specifically in the IT business, it is also a lame excuse to encourage women that if they join the IT bandwagon they are going to get a “bonus”. Being in a team means having to trust the person you are working with whether a man or woman.

        • #3570671

          22nd century?

          by epepke ·

          In reply to Working women in IT

          I know I tried to get a lot of sleep this weekend, but I didn’t realize that I’d gotten that much!

    • #3547966

      What happened to Equality…

      by admin ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      At your place of employment?

      I don’t mean this in any way to be harsh, but this should not be a question either way. Any discrimination based on gender is wrong and should be pro-actively done away with. Especially in this field.

      • #3547816

        Not Especially in this field…

        by t bowman ·

        In reply to What happened to Equality…

        In ANY field. Why should IT be different?
        It has been my experience that there are a lot of men and women in every field that couldn’t find their butts with both hands.
        The best IT (Admin type) person I know is a woman. Also, the worst I know isa woman.
        Pay people what they are worth, period.

        • #3547719

          The Internet/Computer world

          by admin ·

          In reply to Not Especially in this field…

          in general seems to have grasped this earlier than some (Like for instance the military or logging industry for example) So I stand by what I said. I agree that EVERYONE should be paid what they are worth regardless of gender in every field, but IT should be a little farther ahead than having this even be a question.

          The day you find gender equality in military combat as far ahead as in military IT, I’ll retract what I said, until then, obviously there are differences in how far along different fields are on this issue.

        • #3547097

          What i like about IT

          by dawsopolis ·

          In reply to Not Especially in this field…

          Is that you cnt tap dance and BS your way through the kob. In IT if you dont know what your doing your peers and collegues will know immedietly…

          Its not like sales, its not like admin. We know the responsibility on our shoulders and can quicklyspot a glamour seeking paper MCSE from miles away.

          Here the merit is based on performance, not gender.

          But then im just the EVIL White man trying to keep everyone else down.

        • #3546976

          Yep.

          by admin ·

          In reply to What i like about IT

          Exactly 🙂

          Gender has no bearing on performance in the IT world. <= PERIOD! 🙂

    • #3547882

      Moronic Reason for Bonus

      by sheilau ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      I am a female that has been working in the IT industry for 11 years – I have often been the only female on a team, and would hope that any bonus/recognition that I ever received was based on the fact that I worked hard and earned it, rather than thefact that I was a female.

    • #3547703

      No of coarse not.

      by i8042 ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      That makes no logical sence.

    • #3547164

      Sexual Discrimination

      by sp.venkatesan ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      Hi,
      This also comes to Sexual Discrimination. I do not find any reason for doing so. Does any one advocate the other exterme.
      Salary Bonus if they are the only man in the team or group ?

      • #3547146

        Women Should receive the same pay

        by emline_farwig ·

        In reply to Sexual Discrimination

        I have been the only women in our IT department for 3 years and I feel we should get paid the same. We all may have our own speciality in certian area, but (male or female) we all have to keep our knowledge up-to-date. Pay & bonuses should be equal.

        • #3546893

          I think everyone agrees with that

          by jimhm ·

          In reply to Women Should receive the same pay

          I think everyone here agrees with you – they are discussing – a bonus for just being the only female in a team of men..

          What do you think…

    • #3547118

      duh

      by javafox ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      and duh again

    • #3547112

      Reply To: Woman working in IT

      by tmcclure ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      Where is the equality in that? The only concideration that should be given is how well do you do your job? That applies to both compensation and advancement.

      • #3547080

        How about an even break?

        by mscoulter ·

        In reply to Reply To: Woman working in IT

        As a woman in IT, I’d be happy just to get an even break! I was mistreated in my last job because of my gender and now I am being interviewed FOUR times for a prospective job. Why is it I have to prove myself more than a man? Why is it assumed thatI am not as good or don’t know as much as my male colleages?

        • #3546900

          As a manager of IT I’d be happy

          by james r linn ·

          In reply to How about an even break?

          just to get an even break.

          I’d like people to not assume automatically that because I am male that I discriminate.

          I don’t deny that you have been descriminated against, but in my 15 years I have seen it rarely. And in the end people who descriminate in my world have been penalised and/or dealt with.

          I wouldn’t assume that 4 interviews means anything. I was interviewed that many times for a PC Tech job at a Fortune 100 job. The reason was that they have criteria that say that you haveto look beyond the current job’s qualifications to see whether the individual can have a career in your org. It can be a good sign. Conversely it can also be a sign that the hiring company doesn’t really know what they want(so be careful about accepting).

          In any case bonuses based on gender are not a good idea.

          James

        • #3546892

          Don’t sweat the 4 times

          by jimhm ·

          In reply to How about an even break?

          Looky here – I went through 5 people before I got my last job.. as you move up the salary line.. you start interviewing with more and more people in the company.

          HR – Manager of department – Technical person in department – Director of the department – VP of area – Then back to the HR for a different HR person …. Oh yea a personality quiz was also taken… and scored while I was talking to the others…

          Yes the interview process – expended the day…

          So don’t feel that they think less of you – that will come across in the interview and you will be past over – bank on that one…

    • #3546962

      Insufficient data

      by generalist ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      The statement doesn’t explicitly say that the woman is getting the bonus because she is the only woman on the team. (Or that is my interpretation of what is being said.)

      On the other hand, if a bonus is given, it had better state why the woman got the bonus, otherwise it could be a morale killer unless the rest of the team KNEW that she deserved it.

      • #3548315

        True of any team

        by epepke ·

        In reply to Insufficient data

        There have to be some really, really good reasons why only one person on a team gets a bonus. Part of the reason it’s called a “team” is that people are supposed to make each other look good. If the one who looks the best is the only one rewarded,it kills the team.

    • #3546910

      WHAT!?!?!?!

      by gruvdog ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      Sure! And while you’re at it. How about if I get just as big a bonus for being the only one on the team named Victor, or for being to only one on the team who lives in a green house?

      Get real, get a life, find a new planet.

      I don’t get paid more than females. Why should they get paid more than me?

      THEY SHOULDN’T!!!!!!!

    • #3548367

      not a valid reason

      by darnoldchem ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      Granted, in some less civilized IT environments, women receive more bull than men but extra money is not the way to handle it. It’s almost like putting a price on that kind of behavior when it has no place at all in a professional environment. We should hire, fire, promote, demote and execute decisions bases on skills…or the lack thereof. Being a woman is totally independent of the skills when it comes to computing/IT.

    • #3548359

      Is she Hot?

      by qomputek ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      If she’s hot then she should get more so she will stick around and this way we have something pleasing to look at when we are working those 16 hour days (or nights).

      • #3548329

        Finally a answer that I like…..

        by lordinfidel ·

        In reply to Is she Hot?

        Screw the discrimination laws.

        I say keep all of the hot women in IT.

        We need more hot geek babes. I think it should be mandatory that there should be 2 hot chicks assigned to every male geek.

        Hey this is mikey land and I am it’s ruler.(Btw- i’m married and deathly afraid of my wife and I am all for equal rights)

        Disclaimer- These fictional views do not represent any valid points or the official policies of my employer. They are pure fantasy and wishful thinking.

        Besides noone else was arguing with each other about this.

    • #3548217

      Get a Grip!

      by caroline.brown ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      I certainly do not agree with the idea of women getting a bonus or increase in salary because of what you (do not) have between your legs!

      I am a woman and have worked hard to gain credibility within the IT industry. Arguements like the one you have raised only serve to weaken the position of your sisters and feminist forbearers.

      If you think you deserve a salary increase, you need to justify your position, like any other employee. The beauty of the IT industry is that, although it seemsto be male dominated (probably because of the perception of it requiring a strong mathematical brain), if you can walk the walk, then you have an equal opportunity for gaining the position.

      Affect change from within and do not rely on pity and your sex for an adventageous career/salary hike.

    • #3545770

      Absolutely not!

      by ron_h ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      Why would any woman want to belittle herself and even consider any kind of discrimination based solely upon her gender?

      If I were a woman, I would ask for a bonus based upon my work ethic and the ability that I possessed, that excelled over my peers.

      If I were offered a bonus and it was clear that it was offered because of my gender only – I would absolutely refuse it, and would probably sue the company for discrimination.

    • #3545748

      Could you elaborate?

      by predictr ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      “Have you any idea agree for woman working in IT should be given a salary bonus if they are the only woman in their team or group, please give us a point for agree this argument”

      I’d be interested in your thinking as to why someone should be paidmore, solely on the basis that “they are the only woman in their team or group”.

    • #3545630

      Bad Idea

      by rphilips ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      This is the type of proposal that gives affirmative action a bad name. Instead of paying a bonus, how about getting more women on the team!!

    • #3568116

      No point to agree to…..

      by workinonit! ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      I cannot give you an agreement on this point. Base on your question, I am making the following suppositions: you are female, you are looking for a good excuse to ask for a raise and this is all you could come up with, and you are from a bass ackwards country. You should not get a bonus for being the only woman on the team. I don’t think you deserve a bonus at all after even suggesting such a thing!

    • #3557429

      I LOVE this question!

      by murfster ·

      In reply to Woman working in IT

      Omigosh, this question BEGS to be answered by a confident, no-nonsense, tech-job-experienced female that knows when a thread has been started to get a response.

      Yes, I would take a salary bonus based on absolutely anything except false pretenses.I just got laid off from a job where I was a definite minority, where some of the guys were too embarassed to look at me when they carried on a conversation with me. And for you clowns thinking that I am a dog, quite the contrary.

      Unfortunately, I had to spend so MUCH time communicating to these guys the way THEY are comfortable, that it got very tiresome.

      So, if a manager sees my “woes” [ha!] and feels that I deserve a bonus, just sign the check and hand it over!

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