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Wow, do I miss FireFox

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by jdclyde

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by techexec2

Jaqui:

I was taken aback by your post so I checked it out. Within ONE quick Google search, I easily found that you are spreading misinformation. It is unclear if that is your intent of course, but that is the effect.

I'm sure you are a fine fellow. I've read your many posts against client side scripting, JavaScript in particular. Fine.

But, you just crossed an important line! It is FALLACIOUS to cite the David McOwen case as some kind of evidence that use of JavaScript is somehow on shaky legal grounds. It's not in any way. Period.

The facts:

1. David McOwen allegedly installed the "distributed.net" client on some of his employers comptuers without the permission of their owners. The express purpose of "distributed.net" *IS* to use unused cycles on computers to do mass parallel computations.

2. The alleged crime was the installation of that client program for the purpose of "stealing" those computer cycles. Sounds like a crime of some kind to me. His actions look pretty benign though.

3. Even so, the legal case you cite never went to trial. The state of Georgia completely backed away from it because it was outrageous. It was a clear case of overzealous prosecution. David McOwen does not even have a criminal record from this.

4. Client-side scripting and other code (such as ActiveX) that is part of a website does not violate that law (unless it is trying to steal computer cycles for some other purpose of course).

5. There is NOTHING illegal about client side scripting. And, if a user has a problem with it, as you do, he can turn it off in his web browser as you have done.

The latest information about the David McOwen case:
www.freemcowen.com

by joneschaunce1

Sorry, about the subtle title change. Just had to give Firefox a rev!. After watching and listening to advocates of IE Beta I did download it and gave it a whirl.
Wow, did I miss Firefox?? Just gimme the fox and nothing but the fox.
But for those hankering for a way out experience (and I do mean way out there ...where the ether is as rare as chicken teeth) by all means persevere with IE.

by cap/

For years i surfed with firefox and from the moment version 1.5 came out i uninstalled the shitty thing. Never did my pc blocked up so hard.
I'm no fan of searchbars and the option to select (or not) to install googlesearchbar dousn't do the trick. The spyware that comes with it still gets installed. Nice going from the developers. One more firefoxuser less here !!! And because IE7 has taken the same road as Firefox, i'll stick to my popupblokkers, spyware-blokkers and good old leaky IE6 in combination with Opera. Firefox ? Never again, thanks.

by laredoflash9

Sorry you feel that way. Yet, I refuse to be a slave/servant to Microsoft. Fire fox is a great alternative. I use it with all my GNU/Linux boxes. IE is too bloated, slow, easy to hack, and just plain sucks. Long live SuSE and Mozilla.

Rod

by cap/

I'm sorry is was not very clear on this, i was referring to M$ OS only. On my Linux machine Firefox works very fine, but then again, ALL is more stable there and spyware is also blocked better.
BTW, it's because i'm lazy that i keep working on a M$-pc, installing is just a few clicks and under Linux it sometimes costs me to much precious time (i'm not talking about Firefox here ;-) ).

by mrjkong

Since most of the features in Firefox were in Opera first and Oprea handles almost any pagewithout problems and I don't have hunt down extentions for Opera, ....... Now what were the names of those other browsers?

by stuart h

Opera's nice - been using it myself for 5 years now. I'm now using Firefox. Why? Because Opera 9 is not even beta quality in my opinion - you don't have to go very far on the web to break it, not to mention its startup/shutdown problems - it should never have been released. To add insult to injury, they know about these bugs and seem to be dragging their heels in releasing a fix.
The longer they take, the more time I have to get familiar with Firefox and the less likely it is I'll switch back. As it stands I can't recommend Opera to anyone.

And no - I'm not going back to an earlier version. I just can't be bothered to find 8.54 in my backup archives or on their site.

by spazzman

It's a gift. The difference between getting it right and merely providing capability is Darwinian on a personal level. Of course, on a global level, the cockroaches are the ultimate survivors, and so it cockroach technology.

by jamesrl

I know lots of Mac Users who switched to PCs. In a sense I know thousands of them. I was at a Fortune 100 company when it made a big switch. Within 18 months 20,000 Mac users switched. The same thing happened at many other large organizations - Boeing, NASA, Disney.

I know a few digital video editors. They all used to use Macs, now most of them use PCs to do the same job.

I used to have both a Mac and a PC at home. At one point I got tired of switching, and decided since my employer had PCs, I would focus on PCs.

Sure there is some very elegant design in the Mac, but its a computer not a religion. Get over yourself.

James

by toddrick

In the late 80's my folks bought a Quadra 840AV for me while I was a Graphic Arts student ($7000+). Even though I loved it for all things AV, I always envied the third-party support my PC friends enjoyed. Then when Apple switched to Power PC's, I found I had no Apple support either. I used the ol' AV till it just ran out of use. On my own by then, I couldn't afford a new Mac, so I gritted my teeth and got a PC. I eventually got used to it. >sigh< Fast forward to now - Macs are still costly, Windows is still irritating, and I'm gravitating toward open-source.

by brokeneagle

I switched from Apple II to Atari
from Atari to MS DOS
from MS DOS to Windows 3.1
from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95
from Windows 95 to Windows 2000
from Windows 2000 to Windows XP (currently on my home-built machine used for my part-time consulting business)
from Windows XP (work machine) to Mac OS X 10.3
from Mac OS X 10.3 to Mac OS X 10.4 (current work machine is an Intel-based dual core 2.0 GHz MacBook)
My next home machine will probably be a Mac!

Software is more important than hardware, which is why my list doesn't mention many hardware models.

by jaqui

Seamonkey isn't designed to look and feel like internet explorer.

Seamonkey, the full suite Mozilla browser, is a smaller application on the hard drive than firefox.
yet is 100 times more capable.

by rgeiken9

I have been using Firefox for the past couple of years, (at least ever since it was released), and I only use IE6 when it is absolutely necessary. I like the new skins (themes) that you can install, and also all the extensions. One thing about Firefox to beware of, is I took a look at Firefox 2.0 Beta, and found out that a lot of the themes and extensions that I use weren't compatible, so have gone back to version 1.5.0.5 which is the latest released version. I have the i fox smooth theme installed, and it looks and works great. I would rather eat "ground glass" than go back to using IE6, and probably IE7 if I can ever get it installed in my computer. My 3 or 4 previous attempts had to be aborted because of some settings in my registry. Didn't bother trying to get these corrected, since I am so happy with Firefox and Thunderbird. They are actually "head and shoulders" above the Microsoft Internet Explorer.

My Firefox browser is about all I could have ever wanted from this type of software!!!!!

by puritian

Windows XP yet messing wiht my firefox, as to make me not to want it. But I knew that I love my firefox and kept it anyway. Now I use netscape 8.0 which is a good or a little better then firefox and XP doesn't mess with it.

by lincolnscot

I use Firefox primarily for its use of tabbed pages, which allows rapid conversion of email links into web pages, that can then all be rapidly viewed/dismissed as required.

However some do not work with Firefox, thus remember when you had to visit your cousin and he had the ZX81, obviously not much cop against your commodore 64. Well enter IE and my childhood remembered.

Arrgh down with IE and its web dominance!!!

by jdclyde

so what does that say about someone that would not look to improve the way they do things? If an intellegent person is always looking for a more Efficient way to do things, what is the person that is NOT looking to be efficient? (think opposites here)

I would say, but I see a bar of soap hovering around and don't want to have my mouth washed out with it, so I will say it.

by tig2

I am mistaken for being in the UK or AU, occaisionally in Canada because I don't spell like an American. British Grandmother.

Actually it is nice to know that AU does support the preferences of their clients. That will hopefully spread as people decide to move away from MS as a steady diet and try other tools.

Be nice to see the landscape "flattened" a bit.

by Member 18794419

HEY, I DON'T MEAN IT REALLY THAT HARSHLY, ACTUALLY I JUST MEANT TO TELL YOU THAT. Sorry for the capslock. Ok, I was saying that if you can remember some of the hot-key shortcuts already built into IExplorer you will see its not so barbaric. for example. you use scroll wheel button to launch new tab, you obviously will need to goto the keyboard to type in your search or url correct? well, then with Internet Explorer you simply press Ctrl+N and that launches a new browser window and then you simply hit F6 to bring focus to the Address bar and type in your URL and hit enter. That is pretty fast. I use it all the time and its instant.

Here's another quick way to launch a new tab. Youre browsing some webpages. Hover mouse over a shortcut that you want to open. Press and hold shift key down with left hand and left click with mouse, This opens the link into a new browser window with Internet Explorer. Another one handed method is right click the link and choose "Open in new window". Then F6 to select address bar and type your url, hit enter, YOU'RE Done!

see lets stop being barbaric and get saavy and learn some of those hotkeys again, they're there for people like us who can't stand taking 10 steps to do something simple repeatedly everyday.

I have never used Firefox but I suppose it must be pretty good since so many people like it. Usually these types of software are built on IE and the are actually slower performance wise because it has an extra layer of application ontop requiring more memory and more delays in API handling etc.

Also, one last tip, you can customize windows so that it Groups the multiple browser windows into a single group. similar to the tabbing feature of firefox so you don't have a dozen buttons showing on the taskbar. You do this by right clicking a blank area of the taskbar and choose customize. Look in the dialog for "Group similar Taskbar Buttons". Check it and click apply or ok.

Hope this helps!
Dave

by rgeiken9

I can't believe that any "POWER" user is still using Internet Explorer!!!! I have been using Firefox for over a year now, and it just keeps getting better and better!!!! I have version 1.5.0.5 installed right now, and with all the extensions and themes available, it is a pleasurable experience to go on line and web surf!!! I have the Google toolbar and the net craft tool bar installed, and also Loki. Right now I am using the i fox smooth theme, and I really like the look and feel of my Browser with all of those things installed. You can also use the Open in IE Tab for those sites that require Internet Explorer to work properly. I frequently have 7 or 8 tabs open, and jump back and forth between them for comparisons of them. I can't imagine ever going back to Microsoft's Internet Explorer, even when version 7 is released.

Microsoft has good products as evidenced by Windows XP which works as smooth as silk for me. I have all the latest updates and with a 3 gig hyperthreading processor and 2 gig of ram, I rarely get an crashes. I also use Word, Excel and Power Point, but not Outlook since I have Mozilla Thunderbird for my e-mail reader.

Microsoft is a good company that provides a good product or they wouldn't have lasted as long as they have, but some of their products aren't as good as the competition. I give them credit, since they keep trying and a whole lot of people keep using their products.

The main reason the a lot of people use Internet Explorer 6 or an earlier version is that it is installed by default and the type of Internet Browsing that they do is simple enough to tolerate the weakness of these Browsers.

My needs require something like Firefox. I also was a Netscape user in the past, and used the Netscape 4.X browsers for years. I only use IE 6 when required, and since I can use the "View in IE Tab", I can remain in Firefox and only view that page in Internet Explorer.

I also use the Google spell check for forms that I fill in like this reply!!!!! Ha! Ha!

by jdclyde

to open a new window or tab. That is NOT the feature I missed, but thanks anyways.

If you press in the scroll button ON a link, it opens that LINK in a different tab. No typing involved here.

When I come to a discussion, I launch several posts at a time, each in their own tab, each with one click each.

by fordbd

An IT department (and company) too *#%$&!! cheap to install MS Office on each machine it maintains, but expects you to deal with spreadsheets, documents and data on those same machines. Or a multi-boot 32-bit Windows machine that would normally require you to install browsers, office suites and other apps each time for each different OS on the machine . Portableapps to the rescue!!!

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