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  • #2156820

    XP Forever


    by tctucom ·

    We all want XP Pro to continue as “the” Windows OS for years to come. We know that it is stable, we know that we can do fast adjustments to the system, we know that it is compatible with everything you throw at it. Lastly, it’s easy to navigate. Let’s take for example.

    Let’s change the following in XP then try to do the same thing in Vista.

    1. Right click on My Computer choose Properties and you have immediate access to reducing the amount of space used on the hard drive for System Recovery. (Does not exist in Vista)
    Or: Choose Hardware and immediately see Device Manager (Several clicks later Vista shows Device Manager – overkill page)
    Or: Choose Automatic Updates. Simple and easy to adjust. (The process, another overkill page in Vista is just plain silly)
    Or: Choose Advance – System Startup and Recovery – Settings – Edit and copy the “Boot Loader”. (Does not exist in Vista)
    The above are fast and simple to do in XP Pro and there are many other tasks that are easily accessible via the “right click” on My Computer that do not exist in Vista.

    Windows Browser Tool Bar: XP
    Simple: Go up a folder or back and forward, fast and simple.
    Windows Browser Tool Bar: Vista
    Complex, period. The once easy to see address field is totally different. Clicking names of folders in an ethereal address bar or clicking a drop down menu next to each folder is tedious. Again, “overkill”. No one needs four options on how to get to the next folder.

    Power Options in XP:
    Right click the desktop, choose Properties, Screen Saver then Power Options. Simple dialogue box to choose when to stop all local hard drives, adjust standby and hibernate. (Does not exist in any way, shape or form in Vista – A complex effort to make advanced power adjustments in which hibernate gets deleted in Vista Business to Ultimate)

    A major glitch in Vista on many systems is Disk Cleanup. We all like to run Disk Cleanup and Disk Defragmentation often. Vista’s Disk Cleanup can delete half your hard drive if you do not see the “error dump files logs” before completing the cleanup. Totally disregarded by M.S. and shameful that a Windows Update has not been available to everyone to correct this! Tens of thousands of people around the world have lost their data and any access to the hard drive through conventional means. Outrageous!!!

    I could rant about another two dozen user interfaces in Vista that either do not exist or are down right silly or complicated to work with, especially for the average home user.

    Microsoft can easily enhance the 3D appearance of XP Pro (no other XP OS compares to Pro) for those who like the Aero effect. But continue to give us the ability to disable all special effects as you have done since XP was released.

    I am speaking on behalf of my clients world-wide and myself. Vista is bloated and I bet Windows 7 will also be bloated.

    You want to sell 5 times the amount of operating systems then you have in the past year? Then GO BACK TO XP PRO and put a few frills into it but DO NOT change the way users navigate Windows and access tasks. It’s just that simple.

    Apologize to the world that “forward thinking” went “sideways” on Vista. Bite the proverbial bullet and bring us back to the path you walked us down since Windows 95. Simple, crisp fast and eventually a wonderfully stable XP Pro operating system.

    You can hear the shouting around the world, “give us back XP Pro!”. It’s a resounding shout from all users from every corner of the earth. Make XP prettier if you must, but leave the classic interface intact. Those of us who do not care about “rich user interfaces” can simply click “classic Windows”.

    Keep this in mind. Most all of us came onboard with Windows 95 and you kept the interface the same from 1994 to 2007. Then someone had a psychedelic party in R&D and created Vista. Bad party, bad idea! Time to regress a bit and make “things right”! We want it, you have the means and the smarts to make a terrible blunder with Vista become a vague memory, just like ME’s fast disappearance.

    It’s OK to make a mistake, it’s “mandatory ethics” to own up to that mistake and set things right again.

    Like Nike’s slogan. “Just do it!”

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    • #2808647

      I liked what you said but I think the focus will be on

      by ontheropes ·

      In reply to XP Forever

      “We all want XP Pro…”

      Other than that I liked it just fine.

      • #2808600

        “We all want XP”

        by tctucom ·

        In reply to I liked what you said but I think the focus will be on

        …would only apply to long time Windows Users. New Users or converts from Mac to Vista may not have the history behind them to relate to that statement. 🙂

        • #2806388

          My point,

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to “We all want XP”

          of course, is that you didn’t break it down in your original post like you just did. “We all” don’t want the same of anything that you can envision. You’re on a forum where people use every OS under the sun and your posts would likely be better if you keep that in mind before making blanket statements.

          It’s like that old saying, don’t use ‘never’ and ‘always’ in a statement because neither is likely to be true.

      • #2806404


        by charliespencer ·

        In reply to I liked what you said but I think the focus will be on

        I saw the opening sentence on Saturday and didn’t bother with it. I was hoping it would drop off the bottom unnoticed. New member singing the praises of XP, and opening with an undefendable blanket statement.

        “We all want XP Pro to become something more secure, with an independent web browser and the ability to remove MS’ built-in useless e-mail, chat, and IM clients. Vista wasn’t it, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t plenty of room for improvement.” Just for starters…

    • #2808630

      WIN XP PRO

      by mjd420nova ·

      In reply to XP Forever

      I have a very fast machine that is VISTA capable but continued to have driver problems where none existed with XP PRO, so I reverted back and I am so pleased I did. It runs so very fast with PRO that I don’t think I will move up to Vista. It just runs so much quicker and is hassle free but Vista just bogs down and suffers from either improper, nonexistant or ineffective drivers for such simple things as printers, scanners and DVD drives. I don’t know what M$ hoped to prove with this platform but they failed.

      • #2808591

        You have several years to enjoy XP. Maybe longer.

        by tctucom ·

        In reply to WIN XP PRO

        I understand completely. There is no reason in the universe to switch to Vista. XP will give you all you need at lightening speed.

        DirectX 10 is probably the only reason one would even investigate Vista. I have Vista Business with DirectX 10 and though it has some nice 3D enhancements for gaming, it’s not worth the absolute disappointment you would experience owning Vista for just DX10. Besides, Microsoft could upgrade XP to use DX10 if they wanted to……and man how many of us want them to! 🙂

    • #2808546

      Forever is a long d@mn time.

      by boxfiddler ·

      In reply to XP Forever

      If I’m going to live forever, to see the advent of WinXP forever, I hope I’ve something better to do with the time than spend it parked at a PC.

    • #2808527


      by .martin. ·

      In reply to XP Forever

      What on earth are you talking about???

      EVERYTHING has to change in its lifetime. Your ‘look’ that you love so much has been around for about 16 years… isn’t it deserving a change??? If you were to go purchase a new car, and it looked exactly the same as it did 16 years ago, would you consider buying it??? No, because it would be the same. In our real world things have to change, if they kept one operating system they would not continue selling so many; people wound not replace their computer every year.

      You would have to make up your mind between a new operating system, or an annual fee for it (like an AV), and either way I know you?re going to have a sook!!!

      Sure I agree with you on some extent, vista is a bit bloated, but driver problems lie with the manufactures, not Microsoft, drivers don’t work because Vista is a part of Windows 6, not Windows 5, like XP, so hardware and software companies have not kept up.

      In a fantasy world for you, Windows would be XP, but with all the frills of Vista, but if you cram so much in it would be even more bloated than Vista is now!!!

      So I leave you with this, who has the problem: Microsoft, a MULTI-million dollar company or you??? I vote not Microsoft.

      Also I have to add, you join today and make a giant rant about how you hate Vista, and can I ask, who calls THEMSELF a Buff???

      • #2808523

        My, but you sound so strong.

        by santeewelding ·

        In reply to What???

        Do you practice? Or have you arrived?

        • #2808520


          by .martin. ·

          In reply to My, but you sound so strong.

          I am against when someone is calling something bad, when it does have values.

        • #2808519

          Whose values?

          by boxfiddler ·

          In reply to Just


        • #2808516


          by .martin. ·

          In reply to Whose values?

          I think they may have made mistakes, but I think Vista has show us a lot of good things

        • #2808515

          MS values

          by boxfiddler ·

          In reply to Microsoft

          are not mine, nor I think, are they those of many, many others.

          However, Vista is of limited value to me in that my paycheck will depend on it next semester.

          Personally I think Vista sucks enough that I am working on moving to Linux for my personal computing needs.

        • #2808512


          by .martin. ·

          In reply to MS values

          I was considering making a dual boot Vista-Ubuntu machine, as I am having more troubles with my XP machine, than I have ever had with ANY Vista machine (what do you say to that tctucom???)

        • #2808510

          I’m dual booting Ubuntu and XP.

          by boxfiddler ·

          In reply to MS values

          I like Ubuntu. A lot.
          I had to get help from a mentor to get the dual boot working satisfactorily, but whatever. It’s up and running.

          Have you been using Ubuntu much?

        • #2806493

          A bit

          by .martin. ·

          In reply to MS values

          I have played around with it a bit, but I am currently waiting to get a copy in the mail, then I am rocking!!!

        • #2808511

          My favorite “Martin”

          by tctucom ·

          In reply to My, but you sound so strong.

          …..there’s one in every crowd. lol

        • #2806494


          by .martin. ·

          In reply to My favorite “Martin”

          someone who can see past face value???

        • #2806491

          Likely your antennae.

          by boxfiddler ·

          In reply to what


        • #2806489


          by .martin. ·

          In reply to Likely your antennae.

          . .

      • #2808522


        by boxfiddler ·

        In reply to What???

        This teeny weeny bit of ‘reality’ is worth that degree of hostility? Small world, after all.

      • #2806414

        Could I please ask for just one question mark?

        by neilb@uk ·

        In reply to What???

        The moment I see multiple exclamation marks or question marks, I stop reading. Just asking you to try breathing into a paper bag and calm down.


      • #2806400

        On buying 16 year old cars and visual appearances

        by charliespencer ·

        In reply to What???

        I happen to have a 16 year old car, and if I had the chance to buy another 1994 Nissan Sentra out of mothballs today, I’d use 401K funds and gladly pay the tax penalty to get it.

        I don’t care what something looks like on the outside; how well does it work on the inside, where it counts? There’s plenty of room for improvement with XP without changing the GUI.

        What’s a ‘sook’? And as to being a newb, you’ve been here barely a year.

        • #2806159

          I can agree

          by .martin. ·

          In reply to On buying 16 year old cars and visual appearances

          to your point, I have been a member for just over a year, but I did not come on my first day as being a member, and have a cry about something that had been inevitable for years.

          as for what ‘sook’ means? It means complain (or cry) to EVERYbody you can find… (I didn’t think everybody would understand it when I wrote it…)

        • #2808159


          by tctucom ·

          In reply to On buying 16 year old cars and visual appearances

          Perfect analogy!

        • #2807031

          I think

          by .martin. ·

          In reply to Kudos!

          i will never get my message through your stubborn head!

    • #2806486


      by .martin. ·

      In reply to XP Forever

      I have to add, you are fighting a losing battle here.

      Unless Microsoft do a completely stupid business move (which I hope they don’t), XP is dead. Good business practice: never go back, only forwards (or sideways as you commented…)

    • #2806481

      Message removed by moderator

      by jack2222 ·

      In reply to XP Forever

      This comment was removed for containing inappriopate content for these forums.??- Tammy :-)

      Message was edited by: tcavadias

      • #2806480

        Bite me.

        by boxfiddler ·

        In reply to Message removed by moderator


        • #2806477

          Score one for the little guy!!!

          by .martin. ·

          In reply to Bite me.


        • #2806476

          well boxie

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Bite me.

          nibble nibble nibble….. ]:)

        • #2806475

          :x JD, sweetie…

          by boxfiddler ·

          In reply to well boxie

          you’re tempting, but…

        • #2806365

          You think….

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to :x JD, sweetie…

          I have a tempting butt? :0



        • #2806472


          by santeewelding ·

          In reply to well boxie

          Don’t you be flucking with my blitch.

        • #2806468

          No one

          by boxfiddler ·

          In reply to JD

          holds a candle to you.

        • #2806361

          If they don’t

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to No one

          hold the candle TO him, what ARE they doing? Playing “hide the candle”? :0

          You luv me boxie, don’t fight it…. ;\

        • #2806315

          Playing with fire

          by boxfiddler ·

          In reply to If they don’t

          could get you burned. ]:)

        • #2806155

          I love that game!

          by .martin. ·

          In reply to If they don’t


        • #2806399

          Uh, that’s

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to JD


        • #2806318

          I wonder how else you’re going to be marking your territory.

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to JD


        • #2806317


          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to I wonder how else you’re going to be marking your territory.

          no mention of watersports please…. :0

        • #2806167

          I’m sorry… but thanks.

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to JD

          I have to laugh. :^0 I expect to see pawing marks on the ground or antler rubs on trees anytime now. :0 That’s still the funniest thing I’ve read all day. :^0 :^0 B-)

        • #2806161

          Here I never figured on seeing

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to I’m sorry… but thanks.

          A scrape on a technology board. But this one is clear to me as well, OTR.

          I may need to invest in some popcorn. This could be fun!

        • #2806154

          Over time it’s been fun. Could get better. :^0

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to Here I never figured on seeing

          Nothing but well wishes all around from me.

        • #2806426


          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to Bite me.


      • #2806397

        That’s the way for a newbie to make a good impression.

        by charliespencer ·

        In reply to Message removed by moderator

        Nothing like starting out on probation.

    • #2806424

      Sounds Like The 2000 / XP Debate All Over Again

      by the ‘g-man.’ ·

      In reply to XP Forever

      And look how XP is now the ‘OS to keep’ and not 2000. What happened to 2000?

      How very strange Lee. Think you are just worried your skills are not up to the ‘new task’.

      Edit – Typo.

    • #2806179

      Not participating in rancor

      by tctucom ·

      In reply to XP Forever

      A note to the Martinesque types.

      Those of you who thrive on negative attention will do “your thing” as you have done for years in forums. I don’t find it entertaining, therefore don’t expect an exchange of insults from me or a response to challenges. As others know who are civil, it’s just a waste of time and it feeds into your hostilities. Nuf said.

      • #2806160

        When I first saw this I thought, “Oh no, not another rant.”

        by ontheropes ·

        In reply to Not participating in rancor

        Turns out I was glad to read it. I think it is succinct and well put.


    • #2807998


      by tctucom ·

      In reply to XP Forever

      No. I have never used Ubuntu. My area of expertise is all Windows OS’s. I have a dual boot with XP and Vista Business.

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