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XP Pro vs Win 2000??

By wodoggett ·
I am the office manager in a small accounting firm and not an IT specialist - therefore please consider the source before laughing hysterically at the question. We run a Win 2000 server handling 6 stations. One of the stations is a last year vintage Dell laptop running XP Pro. This station is prone to crashing - more so than others.

The answer to the crashing problem from our IT is to replace XP Pro with Win 2000 - this action is scheduled to occur next week.

Several of us "non- IT" personnel question the wisdom of such a move - but don't know the subject matter well enough to form a "expert opinion." It just seems to be taking a step backwards to some of us novices.

Could any of the readers please offer an opinion - in laymans terms if possible.

Figured if anyone would know, they would be found among an IT peer-group who did not have an axe to grind one way or the other.

Any & all input would be appreciated.

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Agree with IT

by TheChas In reply to XP Pro vs Win 2000??

While I like and use XP Pro, it is less rugged and stable than Windows 2000.

For the most part, the reduced stability in XP comes from the services added to allow games to run.

Further, for an accounting firm, I would want the additional security that W2K offers over XP.

Think of XP as a meld of W2K and Windows Me. While XP is a LOT more stable than ME, the added features make it less stable than W2K.

So, I fully agree with your IT department that your workstations should continue to run Windows 2000.

Chas

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Personal Opinion

by timwalsh In reply to XP Pro vs Win 2000??

Windows XP is built on the Win2K kernel. Therefore, the two operating systems are very similar in how they operate.

Without knowing exactly what is causing the crashes, it's hard to render any kind of judgement. Your IT person may have discovered driver issues (driver's exist for Win2K but not XP) or some other XP-specific issue). But unless he has truly narrowed down the problem to being XP-specific, he may be shooting in the dark to find the solution to the problem (we all end up doing this from time to time when no immediate cause jumps out at us).

I hesitate to second guess your IT person since I'm not there working the problem.

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win2k prefered

by omie In reply to XP Pro vs Win 2000??

I think win2k is a lot stable. Don't get me wrong but XP has a of feature that you don't need. I know that XP and Win2k are built on the same kernel, but based on my experience and personal opinion Win2k works better in the present situation considering the hardwares and software issues.

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I Carefully Disagree

by The Young One In reply to win2k prefered

While 2000 is an excellent operating system, the compatibility of drivers and so on are limited, and can make things harder to fix than xp...

As was said by Tim, it may be an incompatible driver with xp...but as you said, 2000 is a backward step and not as user friendly, or as easy to troubleshoot...

Programs such as System Restore and the Driver Rollback facility (when you install a driver and it has a hissy fit, you can go back to the old one) are incredibly useful and very time saving.

I've written up some steps to troubleshoot your problem if you have time to read them in my next message.

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I Carefully Disagree

by The Young One In reply to win2k prefered

While 2000 is an excellent operating system, the compatibility of drivers and so on are limited, and can make things harder to fix than xp...

As was said by Tim, it may be an incompatible driver with xp...but as you said, 2000 is a backward step and not as user friendly, or as easy to troubleshoot...

Programs such as System Restore and the Driver Rollback facility (when you install a driver and it has a hissy fit, you can go back to the old one) are incredibly useful and very time saving.

I've written up some steps to troubleshoot your problem if you have time to read them in my next message.

I would strongly suggest you get someone to log on as administrator, open system properties and under the advanced tab, click on Startup and Recovery.

Untick the box that says Automatically restart.

Under Write Debugging Information, set the Dump File Size as Complete Memory Dump (by default set to Small Memory Dump)

This will take into account everything that has happened onthe system.

Next time your computer has a hissy fit, it will "blue screen" and will give you a complete error code.

Write down the error code exactly as shown, and give this to your IT dept...tell them to troubleshoot it in technet and they will find some resolution.

Changing the OS won't resolve the problem if it is the hardware that is at fault, and if all the other computers in that area are similar, and on XP then it should rule out incompatibility.

Alternatively, if you really want to speed things up, go to www.google.com and type in the first sequence of numbers in the stop error.

eg. 0x000007f

and the words windows xp, and it will give you some possible resolutions.

Best of luck.

Please don't think that I am disrespecting your IT dept, I am simply expressing my own opinion. These problems are very tricky, and with XP being new many haven't had the exposure to these problems.

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Young One

by Oz_Media In reply to I Carefully Disagree

"While 2000 is an excellent operating system, the compatibility of drivers and so on are limited, and can make things harder to fix than xp... "
>>A little homework needed.

"As was said by Tim, it may be an incompatible driver with xp...but as you said, 2000 is a backward step and not as user friendly, or as easy to troubleshoot... "
>>again, a little homework needed, we're not comparing to WinME but Win2K.

"Programs such as System Restore and the Driver Rollback facility (when you install a driver and it has a hissy fit, you can go back to the old one) are incredibly useful and very time saving."
>>Configsafe for Win2K does this.

Maybe you need to wait for Microsoft's next OS (should be out end of next year I think)and then you can upgrade to that and help Microsoft debug the crappy code so it's patched when and if I need it.

Sorry to snip at you but I have never seen someone actually vouch for XP as a viable solution to anything, other than "it's prettier".

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by djent In reply to win2k prefered

The old adage of "never buy the .0 release" has been proven. In Microsoft's case it should be "wait for SP3". MS just relaesed SP4 for W2K, a 130 meg compressed file. XP is at SP1, common logic says that its not ready yet, depending on your concept of ready. The best feature in XP was the cash flow it provided to MS.

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You hit the right button

by omie In reply to

It is the MS making money from it.... If XP was perfect how come it didn't come out with the Server Edition. I think MS is planning to launch another server, but it is not called XP but it is Windows 2003.

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by djent In reply to

There is no profit in W2K service packs, ergo XP. By the time XP is finished it will have replaced a new piece of crap, probably subscription based. Given the cash flow from subscriptions they actually finish an OS befor they replace it.

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It is bang on

by Oz_Media In reply to XP Pro vs Win 2000??

Before agreeing with your IT staff,

"Figured if anyone would know, they would be found among an IT peer-group who did not have an axe to grind one way or the other."
You have the idead that this is a non-biased forum of like minded individuals,when I get back up off the floor I'll finish the post.

One person mentioned
"As was said by Tim, it may be an incompatible driver with xp...but as you said, 2000 is a backward step and not as user friendly, or as easy to troubleshoot... "
2000IS FAR FROM A BACKWARD STEP. For some reason MS has convinced a lot of people that XP is their best yet, 'aux,contraire mon frer'.
Actually the BEST OS I've ever seen from the inevitable junk seller Microsoft has been 2000 Pro. It has the largest set of drivers and has been patched and upgraded by not only MS staff but many of the worlds top techs also.
XP is a diamond in the rough. If you want the latest and greatest, MS has a new OS out next year so the XP will be old hat anyhow.

In a nutshell, although XP is designed on the same kernel as 2000, it was designed to help people forget about the come and gone ME system that could have killed MS if they continued with it. XP was designed for home users who wanted to use multimedia features but weren't familiar with how to do so with the other MS operating systems. It just made things look prettier and easier. They then realized that there may be a business market for Xp but the XP Home version couldn't log on to a domain since they 'stripped' the useful WIN2000 features out, so they did the XP Pro to capture the business market (not too successfully either).

Win2K is secure, working and stable. XP is easily hacked, full of bugs and is far from stable (yet). By the time Xp is a useful and viable option for business, the next OS will be out and we will have these discussions again.

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