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by hueristic

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I disabled a bunch of services which I've don't for many years and somehow my start menu is gone. What service controls this? Guess my memory is getting worse! ;)

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by older mycroft

Apart from your Start Menu - is your Desktop still intact? Do your icons still function? Can you invoke Windows Explorer via Task Manager?

Sorry, but without more info, I'm not really one for guessing games. ;)

by hueristic

yes my desktop is still there and I can run from task manager. Also noticed "paste" is greyed out on right click and ctrl-v does not work either.

Explorer works fine.

by ---tk---

Ctrl+Shift+Esc.... File --> run --> explore.exe.

That should start explorer, and your start menue will show up.... as far as services... im not sure which one will do that... I would go to MSCONFIG from the run command and add it in in there or make sure its checked....

by Former member

Windows XP-Repair Install -2.

A Repair Install will replace the system files with the files on the XP CD used for the Repair Install. It will leave your applications and settings intact, but Windows updates will need to be reapplied.
A Repair Install will replace files altered by adware and malware, but will not fix an adware, malware problem.

Setup cannot continue because the version of Windows on your computer is newer than the version on the CD.
If you get a "Setup cannot continue because the version of Windows on your computer is newer than the version on the CD." message, if you continue, you will need to apply the SP 2 updates after the repair install completes, plus you will need to take the following steps to keep your system from being immediately infected with a virus.
1. If you connect directly to the internet without a router or hardware firewall, disconnect from the internet by physically removing the connections cable, removing a wireless card, or any other means of internet connection.
2. After the Repair install is completed, enable the XP firewall or install third party firewall software or router before connecting to the internet.
If you get the "Setup cannot continue because the version of Windows on your computer is newer than the version on the CD.". You should create a slipstreamed copy of your XP CD by using the software and step by steps supplied in the links below.
Slipstream XP:
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp

A Repair Install is not foolproof and should not be considered the cure-all fix for non-boot situations.
The below procedure applies only if you can still boot into Windows.
To prevent loss of data and/or program settings, perform the following before the Repair Install.
Manually delete the Undo_guimode.txt file from the Windows\System32 folder before you perform any of the actions that are listed in the "Symptoms" section of this article. To do this in Windows XP, type the following command at a command prompt:
del /a /f %windir%\system32\undo_guimode.txt
1.From the Start menu, click Run.
2.In the Run dialog box, in the Open text box, type: cmd. Click OK.
3.Delete the undo_guimode.txt file. In the C:\Windows\System32\cmd.exe dialog box, type: del /a /f c:\windows\system32\undo_guimode.txt. Press the ENTER key.

Very important!!
If you still have the ability to access the Windows XP installation, backup all important files not restorable from other sources before attempting any recovery console or other trouble shooting attempts.
Possible Fix by reconfiguring boot.ini using Recovery Console.
1.Boot with XP CD or 6 floppy boot disk set.
2. Press R to load the Recovery Console.
3. Type bootcfg.
4. This should fix any boot.ini errors causing setup not to see the XP OS
install.
5. Try the repair install.

"Reboot, this time taking the immediate R option and if the CD letter is say K: give these commands

copy K:\i386\ntldr C:\
copy K:\i386\ntdetect.com C:\

(two other files needed - just in case)
1. Type: attrib -h -r -s C:\boot.ini del C:\boot.ini
2. Type: BootCfg /Rebuild

which will get rid of any damaged boot.ini, search the disk for systems and make a new one.
OR go here:
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Please post back if you have any more problems or questions.
If this info is useful, please mark it helpful. Thanks

by hueristic

yup silly. I can reactivate all services if I want. I don't want to do that. I want to know what service I set to manual that controls the start menu. My desktop is still here and I am trying to get the system overhead down. I've had it trimmed to 17 services but this time I goofed and disabled something that I shouldn't have. Maybe it's because now I have service pack 3 installed? Possibly something got linked? I hates Micro$haft!

by hueristic

OK I cannot access search. Drag and drop in explorer does not function.

I have found the task bar is still there only it is shrunk down to bottom of screen. It cannot be moved or resized. I was able to get into the properties and changed it to auto hide and from classic view but neither of those changes allowed me to raise it.

by older mycroft

You set too many services to manual, so reactivate them all and start again.

Honestly, you've already got the answer but you're approaching this like a Generation Gimme.

If you don't figure it out yourself, you're unlikely to learn from your own mistakes. ;)

by ---tk---

Themes service.... Thats the only one I can think of that would do that....

by hueristic

Not sure how but managed to get it back by changeing all the settings in properties of bar and saveing and then going back and returning them all to my settings. I have no clue why? I would like to know what service I stopped that would cause this.

Search still does not work and cut/copy does but paste does not?

so my clipboard is not saving from the cut/copy.

What is the command for search? search.exe? nope-just tried it.

by hueristic

I've been programming since 1983. If you don't know the answer to what I asked then don't tell me to learn it from trial and error. I'm sure there are those that will know this off the top of thier head. and if you haven't weeded out your uneeded services before than you don't know what a hassle it is when someone out there can just say something like "oh yea sp3 links shell "reg link" to dcom" or some such thing.

So anyway thank you for trying but don't tell me what I should ask. This is not a board for 13 year olds to ask questions.

by older mycroft

I'll guarantee you there are 13 year olds reading your pathetic attempt at saving face and laughing to themselves.

[i]"I've been programming since 1983. If you don't know the answer to what I asked then don't tell me to learn it from trial and error."[/i]

WTF have you been doing for the last 25 years then? Eh? Clearly NOT learning from your mistakes!

Your present predicament is the sort of thing I'd expect from a 13 year old - not from a 25 years experienced programmer.

You STILL haven't answered my original question! WHERE did this denial of service happen?

By your own admission, you have set too many services to 'manual' instead of 'automatic'. SO RESET THEM AND STOP WASTING OUR TIME.

[i]EITHER SH!T OR GET OFF THE POTTY!![/I]

by hueristic

maybe that's because I don't mean heuristic you moron.

by hueristic

good link to have unfortunately I'm thinking sp3 may have linked a service to explorer shell extensions.

by Former member

Badly behaving shell extensions, you can disable them using tools like Autoruns:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
That is if you are getting any. But i do not know if SP3 is causing it.
I know that if you do a fresh install of XP and then load on SP3 you do not get any errors, not like yours anyway. So tell us why disable/delete/stop the services in the first place unless you understand how they work, it would be feeble to disable something that ties into the kernel of the operating system.
Unless you know the code of the Windows system, but then if you did you would know what the services do and not do. Hence you would not be in this mess if you did. :)
So get your code book out and re-write the code(s). Happy computing. :)

Oh by the way, is your real name "DICK" by any chance?.

Please post back if you have any more problems or questions.
If this info is useful, please mark it helpful. Thanks

by hueristic

I do know what each service I disabled does and that is why I asked for help when one of them caused this issue. [b]THAT[/b] would be why I posted [b]here[/b] where the experts are supposed to be. Considering the amount of posts I have here since 2000 that alone should show the amount of help I need over the years.

BTW I've been using Marks tools for years, he knows his stuff.

by older mycroft

[i][b]One of your fellow TechRepublic members has sent you a private message:

From: Hueristic
Subject: Flame off
Message:
Don't start a flame war with me as you obviousely don't know what the original issue is.

If you check I have been a member since 2000 7 years longer than you. So if you can't help then Shut up.[/i][/b]

Not very nice is he?

I must admit I HAD already figured out your length of tenure at TR for myself. However I couldn't quite figure out why you had been invisible for the last SEVEN YEARS.

[b]Those would be the self same seven years that you are claiming seniority for, eh??!!

Solely in terms of 'years of contribution' I actually beat you by at least a few months. In terms of Thumbs you've got more than 180 to get in order to catch up.[/b]

Just who in hell are you to tell me to shut up? ;)

I say again, turn all your services back on and be done with it!

[u]A word of advice:[/u]
You shouldn't have sent me an inflammatory Peermail when you have your own Peermail facility turned off!

< :) >

by Former member

I bet he is going to switch off his connections just in case. LOL :)

by older mycroft

And I've got impenetrable shields.

I've even got a fully working cloaking device and The-Well-Known-Tpying-Error can't see me, he doesn't even know where I am! :D

...life assurance, home conversions, video club memberships, mailing lists for DELL, HP, Lenovo, the lists are endless...

by hueristic

go ahead. you any your tard buddies couldn't touch me if you paid someone to do it.

by ontheropes

Everybody else always gets all of the good peermail. No fair!

by hueristic

Just because you don't have a clue doesn't mean no-one else does.

by Former member

NT.

by rob miners

go through your notes on the services that you have ticked as you disabled them. Everyone keeps a mud map. ;)

by older mycroft

That's why he'll come back and insult you now.

He's gotta insult you, he did me when I suggested that further up the thread! :D

by rob miners

always draw a mud map. Old bushy trick is to keep looking behind you to see where you have come from as it makes it easier to find your way back. ;)

I haven't been insulted for awhile, I must be due. :D

by hueristic

Whichever one it was should not have had any effect on the shell extensions. That is why I am asking for help. And this is on one of my 24/7 folding machine so I'd rather not reboot and to reactivate a few of them I will have to.

by rob miners

How to Save a Copy of the Services That Are Running

To save a copy of the services that are running:

1. Right-click the My Computer icon on your desktop, and then click Manage to open Computer Management.

2. In Computer Management, locate and expand Services and Applications.

3. Click Services, and then click Details on the View menu.

4. Click the Status column, and then click the Status column again to sort the services by status with the started services at the top of the list.

5. Export the list of services:

a. On the Action menu, click Export list.

b. In the File name box, type services.

c. In the Save as type box, click Text (Comma Delimited) (*.csv).

d. Save the file on a floppy disk or in another location, and then verify that the file is saved as Services.csv.

Study the Services and see if you can work out which one it is.

Keep us informed as to your progress if you require further assistance.

If you think that any of the posts that have been made by all TR Members, have solved or contributed to solving the problem, please Mark them as Helpful so that others may benefit from the outcome.

by rob miners

the PC back to the 17 Services that you had running and try a System Restore prior to the problems.

< edit to add >

You could also try this. Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm

Keep us informed as to your progress if you require further assistance.

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by hueristic

true. only cannot copy cannot ctrl-c ctrl-v,

Actually I've managed to get the copy and cut to work now. just need to get the clipboard to store it now.

by hueristic

j/k ;) I insulted the moron after he insulted me prob to tough for him to realize. I think he should reread the thread and then understand why I sent him the PM to keep this thread from becoming what it became rather than what it should be. which is a learning experience. I don't claim to know everything. If I did I would not of asked for help I would have just enabled all services and removed them one at a time. But I find it interesting that this happened. As it should not have. And was hopeing someone had seen it and found the issue. My guess is micro$haft trying to force unneeded services by linking them to need functionality. DCOM anyone?

by rob miners

I have been around for awhile and I personally have not seen the need to disable services unless you are using a Gameing PC and then it is normally done with a couple of Batch Files, one to disable and one to re-enable. I have setup Lathes and Plotters without the need to disable anything. ;)

by hueristic

Which takes as much CPU as you can free. I've got page file down to <100mb and CPU <1% idle. F@H is all the system does. But I still need basic services for editing config files and such. And you buddy should not flame unless he wants it back. I got alot of mates like that too that is why I pm'd him. didn't think it needed to get aired. as I said only looking for some expertise and respect this place since day one so I only pop in here for something I haven't seen before and don't need to be dissed by a newbie. ;)

by hueristic

When the Work unit my system is currently running is finished I'll do a reboot and see if I found the right one. But none of the ones I set to manual should have done this. So I'm baffled. I'll have to hack away after the WU gets done. Appreciate the Professional response. ;)

by rob miners

the 17 that you have disabled you don't have that many left to choose from.

Keep us informed as to your progress if you require further assistance.

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by hueristic

No I useually run with 17 services. I weeded a few others when this happened. But they should not have effected the extentions. that is what is getting me. as soon as I check out your link and get it straightened out I'll post a solution. Thx again for the help. ;)

by rob miners

setting up a test PC and having a play with NLite. It can be used to strip XP virtually down to a shell. Download nLite

http://home.midmaine.com/~nlite/nlite/nLite-1.4.8.installer.exe

I think that OM was pointing out the fact that it would be quicker to re-enable the services instead of trying to work out which one it was. If I was given that PC to sort out that is what I would have done, after creating my mud map of course. ;)

Keep us informed as to your progress if you require further assistance.

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by rob miners

that shouldn't be hard to sort out. ;)

We stripped XP with Nlite and got it to crawl on a 486. Just to see if we could get it to run. ;)

by older mycroft

Not the little help you need! :)

All of us could claim to only occasionally need help, but you are the first I've found that has actually given LESS than the little he took! ;)

by Former member

No one is immortal. So grow up please.
You have already been compromised so do not try to be hero. It only makes you look even more silly to what you already are.
And IF, (and that is a big IF), you already now what the services do and not do, why ask on here when you already know the answer to your own question(s)????.

Please post back if you have any more problems or questions.
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by thumbsup2

Multiple people have suggested he turn the service all back on and start turning them off, one at a time, till he finds which service he's looking for. But, he refuses to do that, probably because he can't remember which ones he turned off. ;)

In addition, this is a production machine, so he doesn't want to have to reboot. System Restore would require that too. So, I'd be willing to bet THAT'S out of the question for him as well.

Basically, he doesn't want to listen to anyone who suggests turning the services back on that he turned off. He thinks we're all Morons because we won't tell him exactly which ONE service needs to be restarted! :D ]:)

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