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You all are not going to believe this

By Leszkowicz ·
Remember when you first sat down at a server to do some work and realized it was your FIRST time sitting down at a computer.

This is me. I consider myself an advanced computer user. I understand the basics of networking as it applies to LAN, but server 2003 - huh!

I am the one who has been tapped to learn the server 2003 and will gradually be assuming more and more of the role of the IT guy in our educational institution.

Where do you begin learning?

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My opinion

by jkaras In reply to You all are not going to ...

I havent been in your place yet. Once your company purchases a copy with license create a test domain separate from the network and test all facets. That will teach you more than any microsoft press book but it can help. Once you see the pros and cons of the new system you can demonstrate to your superiors what would be the best course of action that could save the company serious money. According to my teacher at school there is little difference between 2000 and 2003 only a few bells and whistles. According to him it's nice but not ready for full deployment. I know I'm stating the obvious but if your properly prepared with the support of your superiors it will allow you to concentrate on your goal rather than worry about management. Also while you are playing with the new toy your peers will assist due to curiousity expanding your knowledge. Good luck and have fun.

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Good course of action

by Leszkowicz In reply to My opinion

That may be a good course of action. We have several extra machines right now and the space to set them up.

Server 2003 has a great trial on it.

Any other sources for ideas is appreciated.

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by R3D In reply to Good course of action

Do you have a MSDN subscription yet? You might want to invest in one now to test the OSs out in your test lab. It's not exactly cheap, but it's worth the money to invest. Depending on what level you get, you have access to loads of software and better support (than MS KB) if you know how to look for it. The one covering just the Operating Systems starts around $499.

Good Luck!


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MCSE bootcamp

by Chris.. In reply to MSDN Sub

Do it, love it, earn it ... you'll get more out of the training that way and a valuable cert.

To what ever teach that said 2003 isn't ready for prime time and only has bells and whistles.. well that poor schmuck needs to get out of the class room and into the server room.

The security alone is worth it. The native 2003 AD mode ROCKS!!

People are bitching about 2003 because 2k was so "simple" to turn up. 2003 requires thought and effort not so unlike most unix implimentations. it's not an out of the box ready to use OS, you need to have a clue about security and domain / AD management!!!!

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In short

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to MCSE bootcamp

You need to know what you are doing and not just rely on out of the box installation to get the benifits of 2003.

But this means education of some sought at the very least and there are not many compinies perpared to alow their staff to undergo this and they also expect you to pay for it you're self and do it in you're own time just so you can keep you're current job and salery.


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by jkaras In reply to MCSE bootcamp

My last teacher that I spoke of has every certification there is or ever been offered including being 1 of about 10 people ever to pass a microsoft test that was only available for a short time. The test was ALL of the MCSE tests compiled into 1 and he passed it. They phased out the test due to few people wanting to take the risk of such a monsterous test. He also works and has worked for Siemans for quite some years. His resume is quite impressive including the ability to answer the most obscure question whether its current or old. I have had many teachers who were adjunct teachers that taught after work for a couple of bucks and the satisfaction of teaching others. Out of that bunch were iddiots, brilliant but couldnt teach, liars that didnt know much but interviewed well, and the cut above like he was that made you want to re-enroll.

His opinions and his claims I have in high regard cause he never flaunted it. His assesment of 2003 not being ready is very standard by anyone seeing a new operating system. Every operating system that Microsoft has released needed patches and revisions to work properly. My friend is a program manager at Microsoft and everything is about meeting deadlines and fixing can wait once field tested. Just because it's released doesnt mean it perfect or an answer to any company's IT issues like the commercials say WIN2K can handle many tasks and security issues. People in management are really buying into the latest and the greatest due to a commercial. If I was a responsible IT director I would implement the system once it's past it 's infancy cycle rather than risk my reputation or job by jumping on a bandwagon unless the current situation demands an OS change due to the current one causing too many problems. To me it's a waste of money and manpower right now, it's not my call to make just an opinion.

As for the bootsrap classes, they will only assist him in getting certs not competence with his task. They are all about memory aborbsion and regurgitation during test time. They will not train him how to set up anything other than therory and facts. He was looking for advice on how to go about putting together proof to test the OS setup to his superiors to prove his ability and competence on something new. This is the test he needs to pass not a cert.

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While you are totally correct about M$

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Well...

It could also be argued that moving away from DOS was a backward step.

Yes I totally agree that anything M$ doesn't work when new out of the box bit then again none of their products ever did and in all likely hood never will.

What you have to keep in mind here is that M$ isn't interested inselling the best Software Available but the most Profitable {thank God for big business right} as without it we would never need to make any improvments to anything and while Microsoft is no doubt holding back development in Computer OS's & Software it is the very same IT managers who are responsible for using M$ products instead of going with Unix which has been around forever or the new breed Linux which I'm sure that M$ has a hand in SCO's current actions.

If Microsoft was really interested in improving the current software available they would never have bought such a large share of Corel and insisted that Corel drop their Linux side and when they got their way sold off the Corel stock at a loss.

What Microsoft wants is to be the only Software supplier to the world and every product that they make leaks like a seive no matter how many Service Packs or Patches have been produced.

Right now M$ has bowed to market preasures and are going to continue support for 98 until 2006 but at the very same time have drop any further development on NT4 last December and that OS is what is used on most busines sites so just why do you think M$ has decided to travel this path?


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by rippertsmith In reply to Well...

Outstanding advice for anyone!


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There are quite a few improvment in 2003 over 2000

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to My opinion

But it also requires a new level of learning and this is a time consuming thing.

If you do not invest the time you will not see a great deal of difference between 2000 and 2003. But the differences are in the detail and some are quite exciting and long overdue but then again they are not easy to find and M$ publications do not make them apear very useful or user friendly.

My advice is forget what the tracher has told you and get a trail version and have a good play you will be surprised.


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jkaras gave great advice

by maxwell edison In reply to My opinion

Get a couple of computers, one for a server and the other for a client, get a good book on W2003 Server, install the OS from scratch and configure according to what you've just read and learned.

If you make too many mistakes, reformat and repeat .......

Good luck.

By the way, if you get stuck on something, you're not sure which option to pick, just stop where you are and post a question on the Q&A section of TechRepublic, and you'll get plenty of help.

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