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by the_webninja9

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California Wildfires

The News Media is currently glossing over the Facts on the California Wildfires.
They emphasize the Drama and Hype while reducing the actual FACTS behind the Fire.
The Facts we need to be concerned with, are the Fires spread a width of 400 Miles.
What this means is that there is no way these fires were some kind of Accident.
Someone intentionally set these fires using the wind conditions as a catalyst for this Tragedy.
Their Target was San Diego, but the real question is WHY?
Who is behind this, and what do they have to gain by it?
Being close to a Presidential Election makes the Republicans a Prime Suspect, being that more Tragedies have occurred on US Soil during the past Republican Administration than any other time in US History, it is not unreasonable to consider the Possibility that the Republican CIA or other Intelligence agencies or Agents of the Republican Administration may be using this for some kind of Political gain. It is close to an Election, which makes it possible that it is for Political Gain.

Other Facts to consider are the Real Estate Market in San Diego was on Record breaking Crash prior to the Fires. The Fires will economically devastate the City of San Diego and literally turn much of the land into Desert being that most of the Foliage is burned away.
Now who stands to benefit from this? Does the Government intend to buy up much of the Land in San Diego for their own Selfish purposes? Did they start the fires to destroy all the land, chase everyone out of the city so they can buy up much of the Property at dirt cheap prices for some Base or something? Is THAT the Motivation here? We already know the Republican stand on the Immigration issue, and the FACT that they were going to great lengths to try to build a Huge Wall along the Border of US and Mexico. Is it so far fetched to think the Republicans might want to try to Buy up much of San Diego for their own Selfish Purposes? Maybe for some Border Security Base they have planned?

The Biggest fact to remember is with a 400 mile wide Fire there is no way that a common Cigarette butt or piece of Glass caused a 400 mile wide Fire. Remember that one detail, and never forget it.

I would like to see the people who did this Caught. The CIA have the capability to Zoom in on Satellite Video Footage to moments before the first fires broke out and possibly Zoom right in and find out exactly Who and How these Fires got started. If the CIA fails to use the technology they have to find out who is behind these Fires, then we know for a FACT that it may very well be the CIA who did it on behalf of the Republican Party. And actions like this can in NO WAY be considered Patriotic. Remember that also.

I for one am coming to San Diego to support that City whole-heartedly. So anyone who thinks they are going to Screw with MY City, is going to have to go through ME first. Remember that also.

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by charliespencer

"The Facts we need to be concerned with, are the Fires spread a width of 400 Miles.
What this means is that there is no way these fires were some kind of Accident."

From the San Jose Mercury News, the fire has burned 400 square miles, not a 400 mile width. 400 square miles could be expressed as a square twenty miles on each side, or as a rectangle ten miles by forty. There's a big difference between a twenty or forty mile width and a 400 mile width.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_7257110?source=most_viewed

However, 400 square miles is the total mileage burned by multiple fires, not a single one. The graphic from the L.A. Times shows these locations. Note the scale in the upper right corner. Using it, you can see the largest area is less than 30 miles across. Also note the acreage burned for each individual fire.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-102307-me-fire-g,0,5690305.graphic?coll=la-headlines-pe-california

Even if it was a 400 mile width, how does this mean the fire wasn't an accident?

by jamesrl

....why we gave you the b!tch slap in the first place.

Here we have a poster clearly geographically challeneged and possibly off his meds and you go and encourage him?

What were you thinking?

James

by charliespencer

His entire conspiracy is built on the "fact" of a 400 mile width. I didn't want anyone to read his post and accept his "fact" when it isn't one.

by tig2

I am a native Californian. I lived there for 30 years. Every single one of those 30 years saw wildfire during the Santa Ana wind season.

Webninja is a blowhard in desperate need of a grip and a clue... and not destined to get either as he wraps himself in the conspiracy theories that keep him warm at night.

The FACT is that Malibu is having just as tough a time as Sand Dog. The FACT is that while I lived in California, the only thing that ever changed was the precise location of the fire. The FACT is that next year, this time, will show another fire out of control.

By this clown's theory, the Boundary Waters fire in Minnesota this year was our effort to invade Canada or something equally ridiculous.

And incidentally, web idiot- Do the nice people of California a favor- stay in Florida. California has enough fruits and nuts!

by jdclyde

When someone starts to rant and rave like that, all you do is step back and allow the boys with the nice white coats to get by.

He has already shown himself to be a complete moron, and is thus to be disregarded and ignored.

by ganyssa

If you do decide to actually invade Canada, make sure you pillage too and pick up some Coffee Crisp candy bars. They're really good.

by dadspad

California. I live close to Pompano Beach, Fl, just as soon see him be on the beach at the opposite side of the country. Maybe fighting the fires out there can help him.

We, at differnt times of the year, get fires in the Everglades. I wonder if he fights fires here, he does live in Fl.

by tig2

Plan do do some of that this weekend... after we drop the guns off at the partner's dad's cabin.

Fanta I can get here. The chocolate I will have to look into, though.

by jamesrl

and no, I'd don't have a strange lisp.

I don't doubt someone still stocks it, but you are more likely to find Jones soda than Fanta.

The real good chocolate is Cadbury from England - we have a few places that import it here.

Coffee Crisp makes a nice light snack!
I like my coffee CRISP! (think of a Monty Pythonesque rise of pitch and volume on crisp.

James

by dr dij

buy some of those water tanker planes. We're needing them now in California. And don't destroy too much, we may all have to move up there.

The san diego fire was actually started by car fire on side of road. One of LA fires was arson. Not sure about others.

Plus in any dry year recently there have been large fires in SD area. And east of LA.

Fire in the gullies won't destroy SD economy. It will only affect house values alot of houses that actually crispify and burn to the ground. Their values are already tanking due to overbuilding and people who overspend and speculated and drew money out of homes like an ATM, and now can't afford payments.

We had been planning to visit a friend near Anza-borrego this past weekend. Glad we didn't. They had some problems with fire insurance because they are 30 miles or more from nearest fire station, in desert scrub. Still not as likely to burn as the mountains.

Here's my take on the causes.

Generalized (global) warming of 1o plus over many years in the area combined with altered rainfall - lowest rain fall in years.

The natural effect of this is that less lush growth will take over in these areas. And more water using plants will dry up and die, or be more carbonaceous (less leaves). Fire will tend to be more intense to burn off this carbonaceous material.

This along with previous policies of putting out natural wildfires that would have reduced carbonaceous (flammable) materials cause the fires to burn even stronger. Then the heavy wind makes it spread over fire breaks!

There was a special on the other night about the new massive wildfires trends around the country. Climate zones have already shifted 100+ miles north in most places, meaning that plants northern limits have moved north.

It was amazing here. I opened our door and said - neighbors are doing a wood fire! No neighbors were having a bbq, instead the air from SD fires makes its way all the way up here. There was ash falling on my car last two nights. And we rarely shut the windows at home but we finally did.

Feels like the last days at Pompei! :)

by jaqui

anywhere east of the Rockies, it's not important anyway ]:)

but try pillaging here in BC and you'll have me in your way. ;)

by charliespencer

IBC is better than Dr. Brown's, but I don't think it's as good as Fanta. Dr. Brown's is only fit for pouring on wild fires. (See how I got back on topic?)

Ginger ale fans need to try Blenheim Red Cap, available at South of the Border for those of you on I-95.

by Member 25348569

generally appear to be unable to find their collective arses using all means at their disposal. Alas, this does not appear to be the wonderful technology that you seem to think that they have.

You, my wild-eyed nijaey chum, appear not to be fully (at all?) in contact with reality. Given that your appearance on this site might suggest that you are something of an IT professional, would you please indicate to THIS aging IT professional exactly what means the CIA use to gather satellite video footage of the entire state of California at a sufficient resolution to identify the "culprits" FROM ABOVE, and where they store the several Yottabytes necessary to be able to track back to when the fires started.

Just asking.

You are doing this as some sort of tongue-in-cheek wind-up aren't you?

Neil :)

Edited to add: "Enemy of the state" is FICTION.

by tig2

This isn't the first time he has posted such utter dreck, and likely won't be the last.

What has me so pissed is that I have family in the midst of that. When I called, they weren't laughing.

I'm sure that this id10t in his teenage mutant ninja turtle underwear thinks that conspiracy theory is a great game. I think it is reprehensible.

I don't irritate easily. This schmuck should be very concerned just now.

by charliespencer

Just as he was serious when he told us to go on strike on Sept. 11th, and that we should sue over manufacturer's stated performance specs, and half a dozen other conspiracy theories. Check his profile; his previous posts include every conspiracy except the Kennedy assassination, although I may just have missed it.

by mjd420nova

The official report from the area on Sunday was that the fire started from high winds slapping power lines together and shorting a pole mounted transformer. The wide front and explosive blow up was entirely wind driven. The Santa Anna winds are a real hazard the blows opposite the normal northwest winds, blowing hot winds from the desert into Socal. The Indians called them Chinook winds.
Rule of life here applies - - Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see. Some individuals are alarmists and will jump at the chance to start rumors and fear among the uneducated.

by w2ktechman

ARE a real hazard. They are a problem and can be dangerous.

I had experienced them in Arizona a few years ago, and the light winds could gust up to 40MPH. Luckily, these stayed about 15-20, but we did get some really good ones while visiting. However, I was informed that it was moderate at best, and these winds could be much more powerful.

by nicknielsen

I remember riding down the road on my bike and leaning at about 30 degrees to keep from being blown over.

by locrian_lyric

The REAL reason California is burning is because of Cuban Nafta agents paid by George Bush to discredit Al Gore's theory of Global warming, funded by the illuminati and the skull and bones society in cooperation with big oil, the pharmacuitical companies and HMOs!

by tig2

And PETA.

And the Sierra Club.

There have to be others but I don't recall them all.

Pass the Shmuck Away!

by jaqui

they'll just make him more likely to beleive anything a big business or the US government says.
M.I.T. study results on the effectiveness of foil helmets:
http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

editing to add:

the conclusions from the study:

The helmets amplify frequency bands that coincide with those allocated to the US government between 1.2 Ghz and 1.4 Ghz. According to the FCC, These bands are supposedly reserved for ''radio location'' (ie, GPS), and other communications with satellites (see, for example, [3]). The 2.6 Ghz band coincides with mobile phone technology. Though not affiliated by government, these bands are at the hands of multinational corporations.

It requires no stretch of the imagination to conclude that the current helmet craze is likely to have been propagated by the Government, possibly with the involvement of the FCC. We hope this report will encourage the paranoid community to develop improved helmet designs to avoid falling prey to these shortcomings.

by w2ktechman

That is quite a strong increase

So, if I give my GPS unit and Cell phone a tin foil hat, I should get much better signal strength, right?

by dr dij

from google earth?

a while ago, the register in UK had a 'find the black helicopter' contest. all sorts of people emailed in the google earth locations of all sorts of hueys, planes, ships, weird antennas, etc.

You can even zoom in on N. Korea. Don't zoom in too close or they'll shoot you down :)

by ontheropes

He's pretty full of himself. I posted something in response to one of his rants once. Waste of time because he still thinks that people appreciate his line of crap. He probably always will. I think that he could benefit from the right meds but that's probably some kind of conspiracy too. I'll bet that he gets laughed at a lot in real life.

Has your family been displaced by the fires? I hope not. It's got to be rough being in MN worried about family in CA. I always want to be "there" when friends and family are having a tough time of things.

by tig2

The folks are still considered to be out of the danger zone. As long as the wind doesn't shift, they should be okay.

It IS hard to be so far away. That said, there is little I could do if I were there. I have been in those windstorms. They can literally throw you to the ground. When I was 17 that wasn't a real big deal. Now? Different story. I just don't want my aging parents out there in it. Much less my sisters.

It's just a nasty time of year and the ninja turtle doesn't make it easier.

by jdclyde

Like usual, the fuckwit posts something VERY stupid and then moves on with his miserable existence.

I wonder if he spammed this post all over the internet like he did his last one?

by ganyssa

to look at his website due to severe employer internet restrictions, and I made it two pages. I wonder if he can spell contradiction?

And if one-third of the entire population of the planet is currently in US prisons, shouldn't the Earth's orbit be affected?

by jdclyde

From all the irrational worrying that he is doing, I figure all the internal bleeding will finish him off before he can bother us much longer.

You DO know that the Republicans are putting Arsenic IN our water, right? I know this because I heard it in a democrats ad one day, so it must be true.....

by jdclyde

Do I still have to pay a duty tax when I bring them back over the Blue Water Bridge? ;\

by tig2

I'll not as I will have eaten them before returning.

You have to think these things through! :D

by jdclyde

To make it worth the petrol to drive there and back, we are talking mass quantities! Anything less and it would have been cheaper to just PURCHASE the goodies over the internet and pay shipping and handling! B-)

[b]YOU[/b] just have to think these things [b] ALL THE WAY [/b] through! :D

by jamesrl

The government of Quebec owns several of these planes, and leases them to LA county on an annual basis for part of the year. The fire season in Quebec typically ends by mid September, and then they go down to LA.

I was in LA during the summer, and spend a couple of days in Santa Barbara. There was a huge fire in the moutains that overlook the city. We could see the pillars of smoke, and occasionally flame, even from the beach. That fire was started by someoen in the hills with a grinder giving off sparks.

I saw a satellite photo last night showing LA county, and it showed a picture at 10 am with a small fire, and compared to a pic at 3 PM where the plume of smoke had gone for a hundred mile out to the ocean. The tremendous winds of 50 mph fanned the flames. If the CIA can make the winds go to 50 mph, then I will eat my hat.

James

by dr dij

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/071023/ids_photos_ts/r2392721967.jpg
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?ei=UTF-8&p=satellite+california&c=&fr=&c=images

Sorry about the pillaging thing.. Everyone please spare James if you do. It may be unstoppable. Our president has got us like drunks in a bar, 'Okayy, whoosh next?'

It may stop when we run out of money, but the feds have that awful printing press to make up billions and lend it to large companies that don't need it.

So looks like we'll hyperinflate our way out of the current crisis. The canadian $, once .70/ us$, now on par, will soon be able to buy 5 or 10 US$

by jdclyde

Orange and Red, if memory does serve correctly.

And a select few of the local stores even stared carrying faygo in the glass bottles again! mmmmmmmm! :x

by jaqui

since they are still alive, they haven't.
though sending the shrub in is a crime against humanity.

by oz_media

Cracked me up without opening the posts. (I keep forgetting the 'print' page feature!)

I see Bush is to visit California

Haven't those poor people already suffered enough???

obviously,

Pretty funny!

by ganyssa

ketchup potato chips too. Sounds kind of gross at first, but very good. They have them in Michigan too, but they don't make them right, because it's not the same.

Although we are getting 5 new Tim Horton's within 10 miles of my house. I've no idea who they think they're going to sell that many donuts too. Even I can't eat that many Honey-dipped Cruellers.

by jamesrl

Its the coffee, everything else is secondary. I think its good but not great, though I prefer it to Starbucks.

They sell donuts but not that many, compared to coffees.

James

by tig2

If I buy them over the internet rather than drive 15 minutes from bird camp, present my passport at the border, and pillage my greedy heart out, I miss the fun factor!

Can't have that!

by tig2

I would find you first, and Oz, and we could make a day of it.

But then we would likely be pillaging at the local pub.

You'd let me sleep on your couch, wouldn't you?
:D

by tonythetiger

Raise taxes on the whole country to send to the poor victims (who, by the way, intentionally built their homes in areas where wildfires are known to occur [b]every single year[/b]. The size of the fires is determined solely by the amount of fuel (vegetation) there is in the area).

On the other hand, fires have been occurring in those areas longer than man has been around... but perhaps you think that the Republican Wooly Mammoths started the earlier ones :)

by tonythetiger

Anyone with a weather machine capable of creating a hurricane would surely also have a time machine, so I guess the Republicans could have set the earlier ones.

by w2ktechman

I was just getting into beleiving the Republican Wooly Mammoth theory, and then you went and changed it...
Ma'an, now another one to toss around my head.
Oh Wait, thewebninja now has 2 NEW Theories to add to his site!
Why oh why did you give s/he/it more fuel.

by dr dij

Russians are supposed to have invented it.

Don't remember the details. You may be able to google it. That could start conspirists.

by av .

They're looking to jump start the new housing market by burning down the existing homes in pricey CA. Hey, their stocks were going down, what could they do? Everyone will need a new house now and it will rescue the depressed housing market when they start to rebuild. Now, doesn't that make more sense, Tony?

The Republicans did the same thing in New Orleans and now they needed to do it again. Flooding New Orleans didn't quite work out like they thought, so they tried a different tack this time.

Oh, those Republicans! I looked on Google Earth about a week ago and I think I saw what looked like GWB with a pack of matches and a big smile on his face in San Diego right before this all happened. Maybe thats why his friends privately call him "Burning Bush".

AV :^0

by w2ktechman

but that still does not explain the heat wave this last summer!!! It must have been started by Cheney to cover up another hunting accident :^0

by tonythetiger

when they launched the Mrs rover mission, it stopped by Venus first and picked up 370 billion tons of CO2 to take to release into Mars' atmosphere. The dust storms they created are unprecedented and the temperatures have reached 60F at the equator on more than one occasion! The mainstream scientists didn't know this... they expected the rovers to quit working after a few months... but the CIA had other plans :)

by jaqui

thy might start to think that they work for the government and refuse to give you any service. ]:)

by w2ktechman

how strong of a signal I was receiving except if I was out of a coverage zone and still connected. Or if I was not dropped in a blackout area....

But, turning a 1mW into a 1W signal (or 1000 mW)(if my RF math is correct) should greatly increase my coverage. However, it seems a bit far fetched.

by jaqui

I was talking your cell and gps calling in the DHS on you, cause "you must be some sort of terrorist to be getting signal out here", after all, they are under the control of the government with that extra signal strength. ]:)

by ganyssa

he has a better song than yesterday's thread. Every time I see this one come up on the Discussion list, I get Freak-A-Zoid stuck in my head. So apparently it's his theme song.

It does make me wonder what the Democrats are putting in our water though. Are they responsible for the crustaceans in NYC's water supply? (I'm not making this up, although someone else might be, since I saw no citation for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosher_foods - it's under the Insects and Other Invertibrates part.)

by oz_media

You don't get them in the US? Oh well, if you want some I'll send you a few. We also have new Coffee Crisp, one with caramel in the wafers, I think there's a dark chocolate one and a vanilla one. You know how all the candy bars now come in strawberry, dark chocolate, vanilla (Died out prety quickly) etc.? They are trying to find new appealing flavours, one company brings out an orange chocolate bar and the rest follow within weeks.

As for invading Canada, you trie dit once, lost and then had teh White House burned down, not such a great success.

Americans could invade Canada, take over and not even realize where everyone went. There is enough room here to hide the US Army and have them remain undetected for decades. Bin Laden would NEVER be found in Canada, and not just because he'd fit into the mainstream either.

by ganyssa

Every time I'm in Canada I get a bunch of them thinking I'll have candy bars for a couple of weeks, and two or three days later I'm sick and out of chocolate.

The other flavors sound good, too. Driving to Canada for one candy bar is sad and pathetic, but maybe driving to Canada for three or four different flavors is less sad?

My three main reasons for going to Canada on a regular basis got wiped out: I'm old enough to drink in the US, the store I liked that was only in Canada closed, and Windsor Casino doesn't have child care. So now I've nothing left for the border guard other than admitting I wanted a candy bar, or lying to them.

Edited to add - Yes, there are other things to do in Cananda, and I used to do those too. But then I got old and had a kid, and sometimes taking her places is more work than entertainment. Particularly when where I would want to take her is at least a 6-hour car ride away.

by oz_media

I know they are always on standby, and usually help out American firefighters or train their teams, they were even poised to go overseas (with the Mars bombers) a while back.

As we have so much forest here, soon to be gone, we have very advanced and demanded forest firefighting teams. I used to go to Sproat lake on weeknds where the Martin Mars bombers are 'parked' and boat around by their massive planes. We almost lost them a while back, until they were sold to another Island based company. Pretty impressive and massive when you are right beside them.

http://tinyurl.com/2kndd2

by oz_media

The list of US companies that have invaded Canadian soil and reaped the reward sof our resources is insane.

Since their attempts to invade Canada in the past were failures, they have since learned that buy becoming dependant on our resources, we become dependant on their revenue. Since that time, US companies have raped and pillaged Canadian resources and done so with support from our government.

Why risk having the White House burned down again? Especially now that Bush is there, it would be the first place to go. :D

by oz_media

Let me shave and it'll clear a spot for you to sit down. Or else you can share my lap and we'll discuss the first thing that pops up.

So sorry Tig, it's a long day and I'm getting pretty tired.

by tig2

Right now I hate everything. I just keep hoping and praying for better days.

Sometimes, you guys keep me sane. I appreciate that.

by nicknielsen

when I was growing up. Personally, my preference is for Nehi. You used to be able to get it in Myrtle Beach, but the Market at the Galleria is closed now and I don't know of another source.

Modern Marvels featured a place (in St Louis, I think) where the owner stocks all kinds of sodas, including Moxie, Nehi, and many others. I could get in serious trouble there, but I'd be able to put out a wild fire afterward. (Back on topic? How did that happen? :D )

by jamesrl

The Mars I've seen pictures of in action. Other CL215/415s are there, as the forest fire action is dead in Canada now.

James

by jamesrl

are making a comeback.

They started as 50s drive in restaurants with waitresses on roller skates.

They are normal now but more opening in Canada. I love the root beer, and you can get a root beer float.

James

by w2ktechman

closed down, so I thought they were struggling. But it appears that over the last few years they opened up one not too far away.
Now they have partnered with (I think it is) KFC, and they have dual KFC/A&W restraunts in a few places.
I couldnt care at all about the KFC, I like the root beer.

by oz_media

Fire No. Geographic Discovery Date Hectares
K10942 Adolph Creek Aug 3, 2007 31.00
N10332 Dibble Creek Jul 25, 2007 94.00
N20789 Mount Assiniboine Sep 16, 2007 150.00
N50229 Penstock Creek Jul 17, 2007 572.00
N50523 Pend D'Oreille River Aug 11, 2007 3,969.00
N50561 Lemon Creek Aug 16, 2007 250.00
N50678 3 km North of Slocan Sep 1, 2007 12.70
N60564 South Nevertouch Lake Aug 16, 2007 864.00
N70126 Keen Ck/Blacktail Creek Jul 14, 2007 800.00
N70347 Sitkum Creek Jul 27, 2007 1,075.00
N70358 Cascade Creek Jul 28, 2007 87.00
N70397 North Spokane Creek Jul 31, 2007 138.00

That is relatively quiet for BC. We've had a rainy season though, living in a rainforest, who'd have guessed. :)

really cool website I found last summer, http://www.bcwildfire.ca/hprScripts/WildfireNews/Fires.asp?Mode=normal&FC=0&AllFires=0

The fires with links give updates and overviews of the fire, staff needed etc.

You must have a similar site out there.

by oz_media

After all you have done to raise awareness for a good cause and support people who really need you to, there is no reason anythng should make you feel so bad.

No matter what, you've busted your own a$$ to make someone else's life a little a easier, that's what makes the world a better place, real people who actually give a damn.

by oz_media

They had car hops until recently at one on the island. About 15 years ago for the one in Vancouver I used to go to.
No roller skates but the girls were from our high school so it was always fun to hang out. Reminded me of American Graffiti, set a bit before my time.

by oz_media

[i]This a$$ may yet cause me to lose my temper[/i]

You've got to be kidding!! Read this guys profile, it's like a resume for a wannabe superhero position. First of all, the guy uses the pronoun 'I' about 17 times in his profile, sure sign of being full of it, 'it' being himself. Then some snippets:
[i]"I am the Web Ninja...I am fking ZORRO!...I am a Journalist with a Purpose...Half the Planet Knows me or has Met me at one point or another...and sometimes a Comedian if I am in the right mood."[/i]

:D :D :D :D Absolutely priceless!

No idea how to layout a website to offer short, non scrolling pages or effective layout/navigation, yet claims:
[i]Since 1998...my Emphasis is on Creating a Web Experience for the user, not in trying to impress them with fancy Scripts and Code.[/i]
Translation: in the last 10 years I still haven't learned how simple and effective CSS is for displaying my endless list of self absorbent links, no matter how much tidier the code is.

Butons on this guys site include: [b]JOIN THE WORLD WIDE STRIKE EFFORT! , CURE FOR CANCER
[/b][i](could save you a 60 mile walk next year!)[/i],[b]I HAVE A QUESTION, I WANT ENLIGHTENMENT, SAVE ME!, I SEEK THE TRUTH!, BUILD AN ELECTRIC CAR!, WHO AM I?..., HIRE ME!, I Just want to be Friends, I Just want to Help You, I Want MONEY!, THE WEBNINJA FOR PRESIDENT!, SCHEDULE A BDSM SESSION, I WANT YOUR SEX!, AM I CRAZY? [/b]

This guy MUST be a ninja, or zorro...or a clown.

and his post cracks me up too!

[i]So anyone who thinks they are going to Screw with MY City, is going to have to go through ME first. Remember that also. [/i]

REMEMBER THAT ALSO, TIG!! YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!! :D Pounce on dis one and he slice you wit neenja sod!

Meesta Neenja boy gonna f you up! (Almost chocking with laughter now, oooooh the belly!)

This guy's a leftwing radical wannabe reporter, ninja due,IT guy and ...what's this? A musician?

Wonder if he needs a development deal. LOL!! Not bloody likely, real artists are a nutty bunch of divas as it is, this guy would make Yoko look submissive.

Have a good day and just laugh at attitudes like that. That's all it's good for, pathetic entertainment. Red nose and some floppy shoes and he's good to go. HONK! HONK! Oh no the squirting flower again!!

Uh oh, I better be careful though...[i]" I make Personal Contact with almost every person that interests me or Annoys me on the Web.[/i]

"OH NO! IT'S THE F*****G WEB NINJA COMING TO GET ME!! AAAAAARGH!" What a tool!

"We've got one 'ere boss! Get the net!" :D :p :D :p

by w2ktechman

But Oz, you bettah wach out cause thewebninja might start crying in his little corner!

Oh, how funny. I remember reading just a tad on his site one time, it was like a big joke, or he was trying to start a cult or something. I remember the home page saying something like
Do you know why you are here?
and a link to Yes and a link to No. Yes was all about good you want to now mw, to be my friend and a spew that I didnt read cause I was laughing too hard. Clicked on No and it was a rant about You Should Know, and again, busting up too hard to continue.
A few more links though and the laughing was over, he had some scary crap there. I mean, he was really gone, gone, gone... He left the galaxy several decades ago. 'Out there' didnt describe it at all.

personally, I think he will go on a suicide run soon. Hopefully he isnt armed, cause I think he is gone enough to hurt adam ant and his friends. He might even go after Bugs Bunny. But as long as he stays away from Scooby Doo things will be OK.

But whatever you do Oz, just try to humor him, cause he may take his Roger Rabbit doll and nibble its ear off in anger.
Or even pull out his teenage ninja mutant hero nunchucks and hit himself with a 'webninja' move while calling Domino's pizza and screaming 'Rafiel'. You dont want that on your concience do you???

I think he would be a neighborhood nuisance running up and down the street in his underoos screaming "Here I come to save the day" over and over again. So please dont agitate thewebninja thing. He really is a scary character, at least in whatever reality he is currently in, he thinks he is.

by jdclyde

Up in Bay City there is still one that has been there for as long as I can remember (over 35 years) and still has the hops walk out to your car with the trays of goodies.

There was one in Mio, but they shut down and turned into a mom/pop home cooking place.

One in Saginaw that is a sit down, and the rest I have seen are all the combo with KFC.

My boys love to hit the one in Bay City. (sister city to Toronto). Would borrow moms convertible and take a road trip and end up there.

by nicknielsen

have the carhops on skates. Now THAT's cool! Takes me back a decade or four. Not serving A&W root beer (usually Barq's), but you take what you can get.

by jdclyde

If Global Warming really is to blame, why is it only California that is on fire instead of the whole friggen world?

Is California somehow globally warmed more than the rest of the world? (thus missing out on the whole "global" impact)

Who is to blame for the super fires? The Greenies out there. Yes, YOU, econut.

When loser greenies prohibit controlled burns, there is a build up of fuel.

When loser greenies prohibit clearing brush because it is "natural", it invites the fires to march on.

When loser greenies keep the forestry service out of the woods, again, buildup of fuel.

When we put out "natural" fires, we throw off the NATURAL way the forests balance themselves out.

Greenies, all your well meaning, poorly thought out agendas are the biggest threat to the world right now.

by oz_media

While you know I would like to blame it on Bush, you know even I don't go that far. I also don't think it has anything to do with the greenies and controlled burns.

Such was POSSIBLY the case in Vancouver where Crown had offerd to keep Stanley Park 'trimmed' before it was burned down, what a disaster it is now, sigh.

In the case of California, overpopulation and dense housing has removed all moisture from the earth, it is a tinder box waiting to burn. As it is, California suffers from dry summers, this is why WE often have water shortage warning here, as we supply California with water and hydro electric power during the daytime when the Nuke power plants in California need a boost.

If this was an issue of no free burns saving the landscape, then there would be no fires today, California seems to burn down every summer. Controlled burns would not help a place that burns naturally each year. It is just too dry and densly overpopulated, a typical recipe for disaster.

With the real estate demands in the area, people have been pushing for more and more houses, making a dense area with a dry tundra base, it's a fire watig to happen, with them happening nearly every summer, it's no wonder so muh was lost

by tig2

The Santa Anas are particularly hot and dry. We never know WHERE the burn is going to be, we only know that it WILL happen. Incidents that would not have an impact at all become raging fires that are particularly difficult to contain- due to the extreme winds.

This year just happened to be San Diego and Malibu's turn. I think that the last time Malibu got it was around 1994 or 5. So the pattern is being pretty typical.

California's land management practises are traditionally deplorable. This is one of the results.

The problem has been so big for so long that landscapers promote "firesafe landscaping". They actively plant oily trees (eucalyptus for instance) in park areas, away from housing and water bearing shrubs close to the house. It helps... some.

by dr dij

forest service people now realize that NOT putting out forest fires in unpopulated area is the way to go. But for a long time it was just the opposite. Forest service people are often far from being 'greenies'.

Remember they are the people who succumb to pressure to build logging roads the 'greenies' don't want, and to raise logging quotas, and to use the slightest excuse to 'salvage' lumber from the forests.

Of course when those areas have houses you have a clash in priorities. Enviros don't want many houses in forested areas anyway so it is NOT 'greenies' who don't want forest fires.

2nd: huge forest fires ARE occuring in places other than CA. All across the rockies, huge fires are now way more common than they've EVER been. So much so that there was even a special exploring why the other day.

I was IN Colorado visiting my brother near Rocky Mountain NP the year Yellowstone burned. AND fire in CO too. We were up in the park and the last day they closed the roads, whole park burning.

So believe me, 'greenies' want the forests to burn if that is what would happen naturally. It is 'housies' that don't.

The fires are a combination of shifting climate (whether you believe man made or not, it is occuring) causing drier areas and the current vegetation is not ideal for that drier climate. The other factor is, as you mentioned, not letting natural fires burn. When an area is not burned, vegetation builds up 5% or so, depending on the area, of carbonaceous (read burnable) branches, twigs, etc. So longer it goes unburned, the worse a fire will be when it DOES occur.

Combine that with massive housing development in our recent boom (now a bust) which spread out into remote canyons, previously undeveloped areas. In CA many were scrub so some people didn't consider these 'burnable' but they burn just like forests.

So basically you twisted the facts and interests of the various peoples involved in this so you could RANT about 'greenies.

Are house owners 'greenies'? Some are, many are not. People have wide range of viewpoints. Get off the high-horse and get more rational in your arguments, rather than labeling vague groups as 'luser' and/or 'greenies'. You'll be more believable. There are more than two sides here, complex issue. Invective makes you look bigoted and uninformed.

In the end, GW (George W) IS responsible, because his administrations's irresponsible fiscal policies included a fed that has printed up endless money, fueling low interest rates, and hidden inflation that let people to think only real property such as houses was a good investment.

Similar to Turkey a few years ago, where hyperinflation due to govt printing presses meant that every spare dollar was spent on house construction and add-ons as they were they only thing that kept their value.

by jdclyde

Still waiting to hear how.

Oh yeah, I forgot. it is now "climate shifts", because global cooling/warming are so dang unpredictable.

If there were no humans on the earth, climates would shift and have shifted.

If someone DOES build in a dangerous zone, either from fire, earthquake, flood, hurricane, they should HAVE to have their own private insurance if they want to rebuild.

by charliespencer

Real greens advocate controlled burns, for the very reasons you detailed. What we oppose is uncontrolled burning of entire forests, not just the under-canopy, leaving top soil layers unprotected and vulnerable to erosion. We're not opposed to clearing brush, we're opposed to clear-cutting old growth forests and calling it "clearing brush". We don't want to keep the forest service out of the woods, we want the forest service to stop letting logging companies into the woods unsupervised, unrestricted, and only charging them pennies on the dollar.

Environmental advocates are like any other group of people. Opinions differ, and some of them are better informed than others. Please don't paint all environmentalists with the same brush. Anyone blaming the entire problem strictly on global warming doesn't know anything about the fire history of the region.

Mother Nature doesn't pick where we put our houses. If we keep building in areas that regularly burn (or slide off the mountains, or flood, or get hit by hurricanes, or shaken by earthquakes, or burned by volcanoes), then we don't have much room to complain when one of those natural disasters occurs. The green approach would be to avoid those areas, and to quit paying people taxpayer dollars to rebuild there. Then we wouldn't care if they caught fire, slid off, etc.

by jaqui

don't laugh at rickk.
if he wants to run around dressed as stupourman let him.

by av .

You're absolutely right! It was Cheney. He has been quietly skulking around the White House so as not to draw attention to himself. Just like Tony says, the hunting incident was no accident. His friend was going to expose what he's been doing, but backed off after he shot him because he let him live.

Cheney has been heating the earth's atmosphere with his secret heat wave machine (code name Hot Pockets) so his energy buddies can make record profits on energy use. No one knows for sure exactly when, but there was a secret Energy Commission meeting held somewhere near area 51 this summer. Even Ken Lay was there. I know. You thought he was dead. Well, guess what. Thats not true. Kenny Boy is living it up under an assumed name at an undisclosed location. Am I not the only one that thought that Ken Lay's death was a little hard to believe?

Anyway, its Cheney that we have to blame for global warming.

AV :^0

by w2ktechman

Cheney is to blame for just about everything. He is such a shady character, I wouldnt doubt that he was the one that pushed the buttons for those Tsunami's as well.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot about his secret in the Bermuda Triangle. It was Cheney all along, sinking ships since the 1700's.

And now, since I used his name on the Internet, I am guessing that an Earthquake of a min. 7.5 will rock my area, in an attempt to assassinate me.

Oh wait, there's more. Those Astronauts saw him doing something bad from space, that is why the shuttle blew up.

by w2ktechman

And if there is, will it still be a safe place in say 25 years? What about 100 years?

As far as I know, anyplace in the universe can be dangerous

by jaqui

you do know that you are only safe when you are dead don't you?
life is about risk.

so anyone prattling on about being safe is saying they want to die.

by dr dij

how: it is because the one degree changes weather patterns.

it is because in colder areas, the warming is 5 degrees (antarctica and greenland). This is because increased heat flows to the areas with the most drastic difference in temperature, the poles.

it is because with rhode island sized chunks of ice breaking off antarctica, way more sunlight is now not reflected there

it is because near greenland and the now melting arctic ice cap, much more fresh water entering the sea affects local climates.

there is no disputing it is much drier in the west.

If there were NO humans on earth, climates still would have shifted. however current warming would not have occured as it correlates exactly with CO2 emissions.

if climate change occurs and there are no humans what do you or I care? The whole idea of global warming is: it affects HUMANS who have built in the affected zones.

And with our unfortunate culture of socializing risks, we'll bail out a city built below water and sinking, instead of moving it to higher ground after Katrina. So we're likely to bail out victims of ANY weather related phenom: floods, drought, mega-hurricanes..

Also the climate change exacerbated floods in areas that people had never or rarely had floods in before, so felt little need for insurance. Many homeowners on east coast feel little need for insurance against hurricanes but recent show where they checked marsh sediments for last 300 years shows that NYC area for example hit with massive storm surges. They were making fun of insurance company on Daily Show that denied coverage to a homeowner in Brooklyn (24' above sea level, no recorded surges ever) but the predicted surge due to the L shaped coast, of a direct impact of a hurricane on NYC would be 30'+ storm surge.

21 of the world's 33 megacities are in danger from ocean flooding. in some cases it is not GW: bangkok - sinking 4 inches a year due to pumping out of ground water, this for a city that is only 2-5 feet above sea level.

We have a vested interest in stable climate patterns even if the changes are natural. crops, seashore structures, home heating and cooling and water supplies in huge amount from glaciers or rainfall depend on stable climate.

Since we do not yet have climate control like on star-trek in 23rd century, we either have to live with the consequences of mass disruption with climate change, find a technical solution to disruption - such as cheap power to do desalination, or avoid the disruption by cutting back on emissions.

Looks like it will have to be a combination of technical solutions to disruption (market driven for much of this), and accepting conflicts, starvation in developing countries. I don't like it but appears inevitable. Even the Pentagon is analyzing conflict potential from these sources.

Maybe throw in cutbacks in emissions once the weather disruptions and conflict gets bad enuf to convince people. This doesn't have to mean overall reduction in energy use. Energy forms the basis for our lifestyle, we just have to get it in less polluting ways.

And maybe thro in a touch of the new field of climate control. Silver iodide rain seeding like the chines are doing won't do much.

But other alternatives such as sulfate in upper atmosphere to simulate volcanic eruptions that DO cool the earth, or fleets of small mirrors in sun-centric orbit that permanently or partly shade non-crop regions such as the polar regions to build back up the icecaps; iron seeding in the ocean has been shown to stimulate plankton, might both increase CO2 absorption and fish stocks.