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by nicknielsen

[i]...current warming would not have occured [/i](sic)[i] as it correlates exactly with CO2 emissions.[/i]

Using that form of logic, I can show that increased car sales in the period 1946 through 1960 caused the Baby Boom.

Estimates of world population in 1800 range from 813 million to 1.125 billion people. (http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldhis.html) The estimated population today is approaching 7 billion. (http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idb/worldpopinfo.html)
/break/break/discard previous line of thought.

While researching the question I was going to ask, I came across this well-written and wonderfully documented article: Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide (http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm)

This sentence caught my eye: [i]The hypothesis that the CO2 rise during the interglacials caused the temperature to rise requires an increase of about 6 ?C per 30% rise in CO2 as seen in the ice core record. If this hypothesis were correct, Earth temperatures would have risen about 6 ?C between 1900 and 2006, rather than the rise of between 0.1 ?C and 0.5 ?C, which actually occurred.[/i]

Very interesting.

by nicknielsen

I found this letter in the local free paper today. (http://tinyurl.com/2sofpb. It's the second letter.)

[i][b]Beware the Black Helicopters[/b]

Most Americans are patriotic. They love their freedom, independence, and our Constitution. Unfortunately, they put too much trust in their elected and appointed officials. Relatively few know what these officials are really doing.

It would surprise most Americans to learn that some of these officials plan to erase our borders with Canada and Mexico and merge us into a North American Union. They plan to do this via the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America. Go to www.thenewamerican.com for details.

In late August, President George W. Bush, Mexico?s President Felipe Calderon, Canada?s Prime Minister Stephen Harper and other officials met in Montebello, Quebec. This Security and Prosperity Partnership meeting had very tight security and what they talked about was kept secret.

The SPP is a stealth program. It is proceeding without congressional approval and is quietly being implemented by the massive bureaucracy of the federal executive branch. Unless more Americans learn of this deception and demand that Congress stops the SPP, we will soon find that the United States no longer exists.[/i]

Is it something in the water, or are Americans just naturally paranoid? The only black aircraft I saw in 24 years in the USAF were the B-2 and the F-117. I've never seen a black [government] helicopter outside the movies. D'ya think that means something?

Edit: formatting

by w2ktechman

I dont think Bush is bright enough to have thought this up on his own.

Another one for Cheney?

:^0 :^0 :^0

by bdmore

WebNinja vs. jdclyde, don't miss it. For the title of best current affair crackpot.

by the scummy one

Where is JD's rants about the latest conspiracy theories? He may have made some in jest, but I have not seen any actual ones (that I can recall).

Or is this just that you beleive thewebninja soo much, you wanted to target JD? If so, you truly need that tin foil hat, so that the gov. can monitor you better....

by oz_media

JD gets some pretty whack ideas sometimes, I think often just eyebrow raising thoughts and not so much determined conclusions. He's no match for a nutbag like the ninja though, that guy's priceless!

This actually seems quite absurd for JD, not usually his forte.

by charliespencer

jdclyde's rant is grounded in fact. There are many who oppose controlled burning and still think every single fire should be put out as quickly as possible. His mistake is applying this attitude to all conservationists.

WebNinja's trying to build a government consipiracy without any supporting evidence other than a couple of incorrect "facts" and a history of paranoia-based posts. Check his profile and web site.

Another difference is that jdc will usually return to a discussion to defend his position (although he hasn't in this case). Notice that WebNinja hasn't reappeared since he posted his hogwash. This may be because he's in contract negotiations with Oliver Stone.

by bdmore

So one blames the CIA for the fires, the other one blame the greenies. Just because the first one wrote a lot more BS doesn't validate the second one line of BS.

by the scummy one

I beleive his 'greenies' remarks were based on history, where the forests were protected and grew denser causing the fires to become larger than previous ones. Ok, I agree that he should have posted some links for this, but we just got out of a discussion on it jest a few weeks ago.

https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=235504&messageID=2310577

And more specific to the answer in question

https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=235504&messageID=2313804

by bdmore

...it could have also been the CIA.

The CIA have a history of doing "things". Have you read any document declassified by the freedom of information act? those that have lots of blacked out lines. Anyone who reads these documents can easily come to the conclusion that the gov. is worse than it actually is, and by worse I mean capable of orchestrating September 11 and starting out forest fires.

by oz_media

I think that JD was specualting, thinking out loud.

While we have often discussed the controlled burn issue, it just doesn't aply here, not the same scenario at all.

If JD were adamant about his comments or truly believed what he had posted, he'd defend it like no other. In this case, seemingly uninterested with the replies, I'd say it was just throwing out an idea.

by tonythetiger

too much plant material: Wildfires. Not enough... mudslides! Add in the earthquakes and I'll be damned if I know why anyone would want to live there.... unless they just like the idea of having to build a new house every few years.

by oz_media

You hve a valid point, nowhere is guaranteed safe on a planet that is evolving without our control. The big earthquake is due to hit the BC coast again....one day.

Fortunately, with new warning systems and more in place, we should get fair notice in BC anyway. Vancouver island will help a lot, as it would take one hell of a quake to send enough water around the island to have impact on Vancouver shores.

Sorry, rambled again...

I think contruction has a lot to do with the amount of damaged suffered in these situations. In Europe, for example, there are a lot more brick houses. They are pretty good at withstading fire, wind, and most other natural issues, though not completely safe either.

Out here, plywood is stapled and gunned together at such a rapid pace, a good gust during construction will bring the whole thing down.

Can't help but refer to the three pigs with this one.

by w2ktechman

construction has been moving along quickly, and just even looking at some 'new' places you can see the shoddy work done. I wonder how many of these places ever pass inspection.... Wait, no I don't. A few $$$ in the right palm and a guaranteed pass.

by tonythetiger

[i]Notice that WebNinja hasn't reappeared since he posted his hogwash. This may be because he's in contract negotiations with Oliver Stone.[/i]

"They" got him :)

by tig2

Not "They"! Anyone but "They"!

"They" are such mean barstards! I'll bet that "They" would simply have no respect for a mind as finely balanced as WebNinja's.

Oh! The inhumanity!!!

:)

(I tried to post this with a straight face. I failed)

by oz_media

[i]"They" would simply have no respect for a mind as finely balanced as WebNinja's.[/i]

I think that "They" will probably be directed to find enlightenment in his teachings, just need to visit that website and ask themselves WHY are they there?

[i](My gawd, what a freakshow that one is!)[/i]

by w2ktechman

2 faults here. They are only interested in non quacks
AND
They would have taken down his website as well (or removed any offending truths).

therefore 'They' did not get him, he is at large, well, maybe the other they got him. Those 'they' that wear white coats and drag people to the asylum

by puppybreath

You were doing OK until you lied about "Enemy of the State". Everyone knows that it is a factual account of real events.

They just had to make it look fake to get it past the government monitors. You must be a government agent trying to suppress the truth!

How much is the US government paying you to spread such lies? ;-)

by w2ktechman

Holy Crap, you mean that I was all worried about them getting me for nothing???

Ok, Ok, then what about Conspiracy Theory??? HUH? Was that fake too?

Nope, aint goona beleive it :^0 :^0 :^0

by absolutely

[i]There are many who oppose controlled burning and still think every single fire should be put out as quickly as possible.[/i]

[b]How[/b] many? Seriously. How many?

by charliespencer

A group in Chicago:

http://audubonaction.org/audubon/notice-description.tcl?newsletter_id=6333542

And some in New Hampshire:

http://www.newforest.hampshire.org.uk/forest_notes/notes_may07.pdf

And apparently some still-misguided conservationists, according to Stephen J. Pyne, author of "Tending Fire: Coping with America's Wildland Fires", in a Vegetarian Times interview:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0820/is_329/ai_n13470821/pg_1

None which has anything to do with jdclyde having his head on much straighter than WebNinjaTurtle.

by absolutely

[i]None which has anything to do with jdclyde having his head on much straighter than WebNinjaTurtle.[/i]

I just disagree with the use of the word "many", which implies "enough to mention". There's always noise in any statistical sample, and the statistical noise at the periphery of every bell curve is always more noticeable, just because of the lower signal in that region. It's still just noise. Look at the sources you had to cite to find those opinions. Not representative of what I would call "many".

by jessie

This is the mark of a great life Tig. Sure hope happier days are coming for you soon.

by oz_media

They seem a wee bit more lenient whenit comes to people with money. Not simply greasing a palm but that is also tax money, property tax, local dollars spent etc.

In Vancouver/Richmond, they opened up teh immigration flood gates about 10 years ago, there was said to be over 30,000 new oriental imigrants to RIchmond alone (small Vancouver suburb, looks like "a pearl in the mouth of the dragon,". Without getting into Canadian multiculturalism vs American assimilation, the point is simply that the money brought into the city was immense!!

An old farming/fishing comunity is now a city that most older resident despise. But...the money there, even though nobody has access to it except the Oriental stores that simply deal with Oriental immigrants and most don't even have signs or advertising in English. But...the money is there, get the point? No matter what happens, "the money is there" and to 'the city', that's all that matters.
Sad, really.

There are supposedly 32 new highrises slated to be built in Richmond over the next couple of years. Once a nice farming/fishing town, now a city that, unless you are oriental, you simply drive around the outskirts and don't even go into town anymore.

by tig2

I appreciate your support. The last couple of weeks have been rough but I think that I have confirmed that the light at the end of the tunnel is not an oncoming train.

It's prep time for the 2008 3 Day! That is always good for cheering me up!
:x , both of you!

by oz_media

He's old enough to blurt it out now, once people have been around a bit, I give some room as far as instant ranting being acceptable, people just need to vent sometimes. Usually not realizing they are doing it until afterwards,

by absolutely

I mean, given a choice of Buddha (pre- or post-Enlightenment, doesn't matter), I'd prefer WebNinja's religion.

[Gawd, this comment could really be misinterpreted if he changes that page! Oh well, "Submit Post".]

by ontheropes

It's easy. Sign up at the Universal Life church and poof... you're a minister. Your own religion will probably be as good as any of them. My opinion.

Don't bug me about yours though. I have my own.

by w2ktechman

I looked at that page and thought that he was trying to start a cult or something. But you may be right, he is trying to start a religion!
Now I gotta start one and post a website all over the place.

But alas, mine would fail because it would make too much sense :0

by tonythetiger

but less than "most", I would think.

I'm not sure whether "a few" is more than or less than "some".

:)

by charliespencer

but I don't know how it compares to "many".

Abs, I'll grant your point. I probably could have chosen a better word than "many".

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