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This is not good. The only good thing, it wasn't yesteday, but if you've not heard, bombs have gone off in the City, on the tube and on bus routes. Unknown cause at this time, but this is REALLY bad.
but, so far, it looks like it could have been a [b]lot[/b] worse if it was just a half-hour earlier, for instance.
The entire underground and all Central London bus routes are suspended.
Seems we're up to at least six blasts and "many casualties" and "two dead" now but the police say its "coming under control". It's all very quiet outside my window - very few tourists as I suspect they're indoors - and very little vehicle traffic.
Al Qaeda are being blamed but it is the first day of G8 so, for me, the jury is still out.
Please excuse the typos as I'm under my desk at the moment...
Neil
p.s. I'm 10ft from a floor-to-ceiling picture window so I will get a good look at anything close - just a short one!
by gadgetgirl
- cos the bombs would have gone off in Paris, I think.
Typical. We win the bid for the Olympics, the whole country is euphoric (for the most part)for the first time in ages, and Al bloody Qaeda goes and bursts the bubble. X-(
(Was in contact with Neil as soon as I heard, as far as I'm aware he could be under that desk all night, they've advised Londoners to stop travelling!)
oh - and I'm at the other end of the country, just below Scotland, so I just hope the bombers and protesters don't meet up anywhere in my area!!!:D
by dr dij
by jck
I have every intention of having the Thursday Lamb Chilli Massala, rice and pint of Grolsch that has become a tradition for myself and some old mates.
In fact, I will be leaving early. The rest of the Infrastructure Team have already gone, each one phoning in when he's on his train to trigger the next one to leave.
Thanks for the offer, though. I'll take a raincheck and have a pint of your homebrew when it's ready.
:D
by gadgetgirl
cos it could be indicative of his mental health/sense of humour/planetary travelling!
Thought it was just me that had a giggle at that one! :D
by maecuff
That you all stay safe. My 19 year old step daughter left for Spain this past Saturday. She's never been out of the states. And really, has never travelled without family before. Her dad and I were nervous when she left. This doesn't help.
Neil, stay under your desk for a while, just in case..
She'll have a great time. Spain is a wonderfully friendly place and if they're blowing us up then they'll probably not be blowing up Spain. Anyway, they got a change of government in Spain with the rail atrocity so Al Qaeda have no reason to bombn Spain again.
As for me? Somebody's brought in some birthday doughnuts so I've ventured out for a while. I mean, priorities!
Neil :)
People are suggesting that staying the night in the office is being recommended. I think not!
by maecuff
Spain isn't London. But still, it's not 'here'. I'm trying to be the rational one for his sake. I'll spaz on my own time.
I'm sure she's having a great time. She's thrilled that the legal drinking age is 18. (Another reason we're worried).
I'd come out of hiding for doughnuts, too. I've pretty much given them up, since they seem to go right to my ass. Have a second one for me. Nothing with cream in the middle, jelly is fine, though.
by dr dij
of big 4 countries they want to bomb: us, canada, spain, uk.
Maybe now they'll lose that horrid cleric who's on welfare in london and advocating killing people.
by gadgetgirl
of course I knew what that one was about!!
:p
by gadgetgirl
and I knew Neil would say exactly what I wanted him to, without me having to use profanities.
People have short memories, don't they?
by jck
First, riots in Scotland.
Now, bombings in London.
Why anyone would think destructive, violent behaviour solves any problem has got me beat.
I hope they had cameras and got footage of who placed the devices. I'd like to see them strung up by their toes and left to starve and be eaten by rats.
Neil...if you need a safe place to stay, you're invited to come to my house and drink beer with me...I just got more (American-sold) Guinness (18 bottles was all they had...better taste than the cans), and my first batch of beer will be ready in about 10 days.
Let me know...I have one spare room...if it gets bad enough, I'll sleep on the couch and you can bring the family over for holiday til they catch the idiots.
Besides, it'd be refreshing to have someone who enjoys a good beer around. :D
by dmambo
Does anyone really think that bombing London will REDUCE the amount of violence in the Middle East (or Northern Ireland, or the Basque Region or...)? I see this leading to more war in Iran or Syria.
"Besides, it'd be refreshing to have someone who enjoys a good beer around" - Sorry jck, I can't get to Florida any time soon. What? Oh, you were talking to Neil? Never mind.
by jck
but VT hasn't been bombed...plus, you haven't started bartering with me for free lodging during a US-hosted olympics near your house!! ;)
Besides...you don't want me tellin your wife she's sexy...right? :D (With enough beer in me, I'd say it just to crack you up...and probably get you in trouble...)
When we had a big family holiday in Florida, I had to whop up some fake UK ID cards (we don't have them!) for my nephew and niece (17 and 20) as both had been drinking for ages. Worked like a charm.
Anyway, I'm sure she'll be very responsible! Just like all 18 year olds! How long has she gone for - and where because I know Spain quite well?
As for doughnuts - you [b]can[/b] have a "jelly donut" but it has to be a "jam doughnut" - you can't mix the cultures! I've had two. One was raspberry jam and the other was a sort of lemon custard which came as a bit of a shock on first bite but was delicious.
Everybody is drifting home so very little to do!
Neil :)
by jellimonsta
Good to see you are OK Neil. I came looking for your name as soon as I saw the 'bombing' news! :)
Enjoy those jam doughnuts mate! :)
by maecuff
is perhaps my favourite city in all of the world. It has this wonderful street - The Ramblas - with wonderful old squares off it full of restaurants and bars and sidewalk cafes. You just sit down, drink cold wine and watch the world go by until 3 or 4am. She'll have a great time.
At 19, I knew everything. Still do!
Neil :D
by jsmith2
by maecuff
by gadgetgirl
I invited him to stay with me (no, swill, be careful, you do like living....) as soon as the news started coming through, but he declined my invitation as well.
Now, if I'd told him about the 1.5 mountains of booze I've already got stashed for the Tall Ships in (eek) 2.5 weeks, then it may have been a different matter! :^O
However, the easiest way for Neil to get to me is by train.... and they've shut KX....dammit...
oh - and I'd tell YOU you were sexy, just to crack YOU up... ]:)
with enough booze in me....I just could....just might.....
nyahaa!
by jck
that any girl would hit on me, drunk or not...
Oh wait...that's American girls...ok...
that any American girl would hit on me...hehehehe
I've been around more women than a 90 year old gynecologist...and I'm not married yet :/
When I read that one of the bombings occurred on a bus in Russell Square, it hit home for me. When I was in London for 6 months in 1990-91, I worked at the University of London in their administration building off Russell Square. I walked through Russell Square every work day to get to work.
My thoughts and prayers are with the people of London. Rule Brittania!!
by dmambo
It will be interesting to see if we Brits retain the traditional "stiff upper lip" and can still show the "spirit of the blitz". I reckon that we are less stoic and much more emotional than we used to be, though, and given to more over-reaction.
However, the one thing about Al Qaeda is they may bomb all they like but unless and until they actually tell us [b]why[/b] they are doing it and what they hope to acieve by it, they won't actually gain anything even if we were inclined towards giving it.
Which we're not!
Neil
by beads
According to reports I have heard the bombings are in retribution for providing assistance in Afganistan.
Really, it doesn't matter, does it? You can take school age boys from the time they can walk and tell them that the West is a dangerous, irreverant place that God wants you personally to destroy and your going to end up with fanatics willing to die for the cause.
40 dead 300 injured at last report. My heart goes out to England and the families of those slain or injured in such a brutal waste of human effort.
- beads
I hope that the Brits can show the same spirit as Winston Churchill during WWII, or Francis Drake during the attack of the Spanish Armada. And I believe the British will show resolve, unlike the Spanish when they were attacked by Al Qaeda terrorists right before their election.
Al Qaeda has shown they cannot be reasoned with. They want nothing other than the destruction of western civilization, it appears.
by jessie
I was listening to the reports of the bombings coming in to work this morning on NPR. Any loss of life is tragic, but when it's innocent lives lost because some fanatic thinks this is the way to get his point across, it's doubly angering.
If these fanatic bastards want to die for their cause, I'll happily help them along. I just wish they'd take a lesson from Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr and try to make their point peacefully.
by beads
From an early age many of these so called "Soldiers of God" are trained to hate everything Western. Its simple brainwashing. To be even more cynical its called the: "Coca-Cola technique". Hook them when they are very young and as adults they won't leave the brand name. In this case its a set of ideological beliefs.
- beads
by jck
it's the same with groups such as the Neo-nazis, KKK, etc.
I remember a TV show (ironically, I think it was Jerry Springer) where they had a daughter of a KKK leader, and a woman stood up in the audience and asked the little girl "Would you be my friend?" and the little girl said "Yes.".
Then the lady asked "What if I told you I was Jewish or Hispanic? Would you still be my friend?"
The little girl stood there in silence because she didn't know why she couldn't be. All she'd ever been taught was to judge people by their ethnicity or religious creed.
It's sad people raise children to be so closed minded...it really cripples the world spending time on such petty ideals.
by ebrown1
It is a senseless tragedy, but, sadly, not the perpetrators.
My wife and I with another couple are scheduled to arrive in London on 7/11. Staying near Hyde Park. I was concerned at first but since the focus was the G-8 summit, I suspect the risk will be small. I have heard good reports about the calm and responsible behaviour (note the British spelling??)...the children and grandchildren of those who endured the Blitz carry on the tradition.
Eric Brown
Republic of Texas
by gadgetgirl
the Spirit of the Blitz will still be around, but we always carry on as normal here in the UK. We're bred as stalwarts!
Try and pick up with NeilB while you're over!
feel free to ask.
A useful tip: Take one of the river cruises down to Greenwich but - and this is what the average tourist doesn't pick up on - check the tide. It should be coming in so your downstram trip will be slow and leisurely. As you pass Southwark bridge there is a strange "pregnant" building on the right. Wave and I'll wave back. :)
Go on the London Eye twice, day and night.
Don't worry. We'll be OK and so will you be. Back to the days of the IRA when everyone checked with a little more diligence. Unfortunately, I suspect that we're all not really safe anywhere so there's no real point in worrying.
Neil
by jck
f*ck?
hahahahahaha...be glad I like women who are mature, mae...
I hate the obligation of having to validate why I can't go out and spend money partying when I need to pay a bill...like the house payment.
Younger women usually don't understand those things...and some older ones too :(
Oh well...some day my princess will come...and will go live in blissful swillishness... :D
by dmambo
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by jessie
by jck
the room...my house is small.
Neil's never mentioned having a huge brood...I'm just assuming he doesn't have one...
In any case, I'd just vacate my bed...it's king size and 3 people can sleep on it fairly comfortably...I'd take the couch...and my spare room has a queen size bed...so I can sleep about 5 people if need be, besides myself.
As for refreshing presences...so long as your kids weren't mouthy...didn't tear up or dig around in my stuff or bang on my 103 year old upright piano...I'd have no issues with them.
I actually love kids and eventually want to have a few...once I find a woman who can tolerate me and vice versa. :D
by gadgetgirl
Could comfortably accomodate all of you (large house....could always use boat as accommodation, too!)
Kids could take Murff (dog) out for a walk, smaller ones would be kept occupied/happy by neighbours kids whilst playing (safely) and I could hijack she-who's-on-her-way for a snuggle.
There you go, Jessie!
Sorted!!! :^O
But - and you knew there was one - the local drink is Newcastle Brown Ale....very good for nursing mothers, but you wake with one helluva hangover **and so does the baby** !!!!!
by gadgetgirl
Totally passed me by - haven't a clue what you're on about, but I'm about to start searching...!
- and the only danger I'm in, in this area, is myself. Founder member of the Slips, Trips and Falls Brigade!!
(Yeah, ok, that's Geordie for Accident Waiting to Happen! :)
by she devil
by gadgetgirl
that saved me trying to get on the overloaded Beeb site to see what he was going on about...!
Sorry it wasn't the other way around, and it wasn't a copper on a (motor) bike losing control and hitting Dubya...!!!
Sadly out of tune today - news feeds for all the usual sites are oversubscribed and struggling...I would have wondered what he was going on about half the nite if you hadn't told me!! :^O
This is just a continuation of the same old, tired and worn out debate. Was Iraq involved in any way, shape or form, even to the most miniscule degree, with either supporting or sponsoring terrorism? If the answer if yes, which it is, then the actions in Iraq are consistent with adopting a zero tolerance policy. In my opinion, the nations I mentioned (including other nations and even some Americans) BAILED OUT in the overall effort. They did not stand up and scream from the highest mountain top............
Sorry, but I vehemently disagree with you. But let's just leave it at that.
However, I will make this prediction. I predict that the political party that is opposed to Tony Blair will be very quick to blame and/or make political hay out of this, and they will retreat from the overall effort in adopting such a zero tolerance policy towards world-wide terrorism, just letting the chips fall where they may, just like our very own politicians did.
by maecuff
by gadgetgirl
he obviously hasn't read the rest of the posts, or he would have considered your feelings before he wrote... I hope.
She'll be ok - because it's happened to us, there is heightened security all over the world at present, same as after 9/11.
Even at 19, they can surprise you, and use their common sense sometimes.
Keep cool, Mae.
:x and prayerz
GG
by maecuff
I'm sure she'll be fine.
All of a sudden, she seems like such a child to me. How could we have thought this was a good idea? Why can't we keep our kids bubble wrapped? Who ever thought having kids was a good idea in the first place?
by dr dij
by cuteelf
When I was in Lonnon last year, I travelled by myself, alone, overseas for the first time.
Everyone here in AK thought I was nucking futz.
I told my mom, who was the worrymeister, Hey. Its a civlized country, they speak english, its A BUSY city (so I can holler if I need to) and I can always step into a shop if someone bothers me.
I asked for directions, and kept myself in crowds, and if my gut said ..uh, not good...I kept moving.
And emailed every other day :).
I shoulda done it earlier in my life. She'll be fine..If she's like you, she's smart enough to know.
cute
by doulos8
by eltel
Considering how many years we had of IRA terrorists, we know all about terrorism. And, as were one of the few who slavishly followed GWB into Iraq I can only consider that you have your head up your arse and only remove your head to speak out of your arse.
Wher do you get your opinions from?
by cuteelf
Everyone's allowed their opinion, just remember that idiots just have teeny tiny brains. Kinda the size of a marble, duct taped and rigged to stay in the head and not fall out.
I do agree, F*ckwit is a good call :P Let him keep his head in the dark.
Cute
by jck
Are you saying we're so much better?
GWB, Clinton, GHWB, and especially Reagan had done little, if anything, to stop or curtail terrorism until 9/11. We were so lacking in security in our airports that it was an obvious hole. Hell, Reagan's administration was even funding Iraq against Iran even though countries like Iraq, Yemen and Syria were known to have terrorist training grounds within them.
Fact is, we did no better than anyone else. It even took Israel (who has been at war with muslim militants for decades) having their airlines terrorized to put high-action preventative measures in place. Now if you go into the airport in Tel-Aviv, be prepared to be searched by armed military...and if you decline, be prepared to be arrested.
So, don't mock the English in this time of suffering, when our track record is no better.
Or are you a seagull? Fly in, sh:t everywhere and fly out.
Just asking...
by jck
he is talking out of his ass.
Although we have tight security at airports here in the USA now, the guy coming across the canadian border with bloody weaponry (including a chainsaw and sword) is proof-positive that someone could organize overseas and come clandestinely into the USA and hit random targets.
We're by no means the model of security.
He just has the delusion that the British have somehow been lax on their defense or something. And, he's probably either too young or too ignorant of the IRA attacks that went on for years and years within the UK.
I just hope you guys there realize...he's a minority that lives in delusional ignorance and only two things would help him be rid of his mindset:
1) a realism epiphany
2) death
by eltel
by doulos8
What d'ya think this is, a chat room?
The real pinheads here missed the point, as you usually do, that the only way to deal with bullies, whether they be IRA, al-qaeda, or schoolyard punks, is to stand up to them.
You want to smear George Bush (with your tags), but he understands - as did Ron Reagan - how to stand up to these criminals.
by jamesrl
As a Canadian, I was 100% committed to the action in Afghanistan as there were clear links between the regime, and Al Qaeada. Canadians participated, and still participate there. 13,000 members of our military have participated in some way - either on the ground in Afghanistan or in the naval blockade. Thats 20% of our military.
Canada also spent billions on improving our border security - again I would ask people like Max to take a look at what the former director of Homeland Security said in public about Canada's contribution.
Canada tried to find a way to bring more NATO Allies into agreement on the position on Iraq. The US was the first to block any attempt at a compromise. If Canada had been successful, their might have been a war a few months later with broader participation.
Other than Iraq,which I hope we can agree to disagree, where has Canada shown any tolerance for terrorism?
James
by maecuff
by jck
and I'm an American...and I think GWB is about as bright as a 40W bulb hooked to a watch battery...not too damn bright.
But nonetheless (and more importantly), dwyermj, you showed about as much lack of respect and class mocking a people who were just attacked. You're as bad as someone who'd drive by a car wreck with stopping to help and try to validate it by thinking "They were probably driving stupid...they deserve it."
Kicking someone while there down, dwyermj...that's so friggin pathetic of you...you're the type of American who makes me want to go to Ireland to live.
What you mentioned would have been a defensive action. Going into Iraq to remove a regime that sponsored and/or supported terrorism was an offensive action.
I suggest that the world (HELLO UNITED NATIONS!) step it up a few notches regarding the offense response. Fighting terrorism should not be a political issue. Fighting terrorism is not merely a defensive issue. I am a strong proponent of taking the fight to them and taking them down. Even if it means publicly identifying those nations that support, sponsor, and/or tolerate terrorism, even to the most miniscule degree (and yes, perhaps even Saudi Arabia), kicking them out of the UN and banning all trade with them. Our goal should be 100 percent elimination and/or 100 percent surrender - and we should settle for no less.
by maecuff
by dmambo
Does that put your mind at ease, or worry you more?
As GG said, they can surprise you. You'll probably be gratified by what a good job you've been doing for the past 19 years.
by gadgetgirl
That could be a whole nuther discussion - it would beat jd's divorce thread by double!
Yup, been there, done that. Currently in battle with 24 year old daughter if only I could find her to have that battle!! AAaaarrgghh. Why are kids these days so bloomin' selfish? She STILL hasn't been in touch, despite knowing my Pa was going in for major surgery at the weekend, (hence I had the bad weekend) and didn't even call him before he went in! X-(
Ok, I'm calm. I'm cooling down. I won't explode.
YET!!!
by maecuff
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by gadgetgirl
just heard from a mate that the largest Government office in Derbyshire has just been evacuated because of a bomb scare.
Looks like a few other locations may be subject to the same thing, too.
Glad I moved from Local Government....last time this happened to me, I was standing outside, jacketless, in the rain for two and a half hours!
Thank goodness it's home time, and I can catch up properly with the news
GG
..I can feel my upper lip stiffening with each passing moment, such is the level of my British resolve.
Now I suppose we could go and invade someone unconnected in the name of 'freedom'. The French dont look too busy.....
by gadgetgirl
you invade the eateries....
I'll invade the cellars!!! :^O
by jck
If you help get me dual citizenship in Ireland, I'll come shoot French people...hehehehehe
useless people...and most of their wine isn't even that good...overrated bordeaux crap...
by av .
Its a sad reminder to me of the chaos of 9/11. My thoughts and prayers go out to you all.
Stand tall, strengthen your resolve and be vigilant. Our countries are united in the war against terrorists and we will win in the end.
by jck
by rleskovar
These terrorist attacks are absolutely inexcusable, though they were directly inflamed by the Bush's attack on the Afghanistan and Iraq. 9/11 has happened because of the US policy in the Middle East, not because of bored terrorists who just blow them up for fun. But after Afghanistan was destroyed Osama Bin Laden is still alive. And Iraq had nothing to do with this, even weapons for mass destruction were not there, as the US administration admitted more than half a year ago.
Far too many civilians have been killed in these attacks in Afghanistan and Iraq (in Iraq alone more than 25.000 innocent people, many more children are mutilated!!!). And with uncritical US armament of Israel who violently occupied the Palestine in 1967, with current threatening to North Korea, Iran and so on (who are among the least nuclearly armed countries and, according to international experts, do not represent danger, unless threatened) it is obvious that the tensions will rise. And now we can see the results. It is to blame and stop terrorists on one hand _and_ warmongers like Bush on the other hand also for these deaths in London!
by jellimonsta
You tell AV to not judge too fast, and then you make an obviously ignorant and bias comment like 'bush is too blame for the bombings in London' also?
I suppose next you are going to tell me there was no terririst action in the Middle East until Bush came into office? Give me a break!
by bubba2
by jamesrl
Never excuse the attacking of civilian targets for the purpose of inciting terror. Never.
While I didn't support the invasion of Iraq, and I am not happy about the lose of life, there was no intent on the part of either the US Armed Forces or the government to inflict civilian casualties.
And I would argue that Afghanistan was being destroyed by the Taliban - ancient budhist temples and statues were being destroyed, the country was in civil war - the international invasion there has made a positive impact on the lives of the people there.
You say the attacks are inexcusable yet you go on to blame Bush. Thats just a little too simplistic for me. Clashes between Muslims and the west have been going on for centuries, and between the US and Muslims for decades. I may not support everything Bush has done, but I don't blame him for long term trends that evolved over many presidents.
James
by cuteelf
I'm sad...because the time I spent in London was right around the places that got hit. King's X, Piccadilly line, Victoria station......
Hugs to Brits here, you all need it.
Cute
by llmars
by yahbblack
by jck
by eltel
".....I just hope you guys there realize...he's a minority......"
Of course!
I'm an ex-pat, but having just managed to talk with my daughter, I really like your 2) above!
Unfortunately all nationalities have their arseholes.
by jck
he only stood up to them after they did something to us...and not when he knew about them.
Yeah...real respectable and sit there and watch your allies get attacked and go "Oh...that's too bad."...or, watch your Marines get blown up in Beirut and go "Oh...that's too bad."
We had to watch it happen on our soil before we did anything...just like most everyone else.
I think the major countries who helped in hunting for terrorists that haven't had a major attack are Australia and Canada. Wonder what they're doing right?
by dmambo
I have a life and a brain and, unlike you, I use both. Chat room or not, your comments were untimely, badly thought through and just plain crap. If you wanted an apology for the dissing of your Prez - and I did think that FM's tag wasn't really apposite - then that's what you should have posted rather than the total crap thet you did type.
Again, f*ckwit, were with you in Iraq so what are you on about?
Now FOAD unless you've got something sensible to say.
by hal 9000
One of your Special Forces Body guards had to knock poor old GWB off his bike. He probably didn't like the tow rope attached to his bike so he had to peddle harder. :D
But you just have to love the media when the story started breaking over here there was talk of some electrical fault on the trains or Tube as they where calling it. Then the buss blew up and the reporters started looking worried.
Actually I thought that the Poms beating the Aussies at Cricket would have made you lot a lot happier even if we did transport Shane Warne over there. ;)
Well I suppose that if the bombing gets any worse they could always use the devastated site for the Olympics come 2010. After it would save a fortune in Land Resumptions wouldn't it? :D
Col ]:)
which are much as the Germans left them. We don't need any more bits blown up.
As for GWB, the story was just getting about when the bombing rather took the focus away.
by hal 9000
You got off lightly it should have been much worse. 6 bombs going off in 3 minutes on the Tube and only 33 confirmed dead and no real damage.
While terrible it could/should have been much worse if they had of timed it right or gone for a bigger impact. I think most of those who where killed where in a confined space and concussion got them if the initial blast didn't.
But I just loved the Media here reporting "Rumor" at the beginning as we've had it since 7.30 PM last night Live your time I supposes and the rubbish that they where coming out with just to fill the airwaves. The really scary one was a POM Juno who was trying to look like Magi Thatcher now she was scary I can understand why you are under that table if she is around. :D
Actually can I interest you in some Bomb Proof Glass? We have a guy here who sells the stuff and demonstrates it by standing behind it and getting someone to try to shoot him he's that confident about his product. They tested it out West at an old army place where they let off several tons of HE and he had the windows setup from 20 feet away to a couple of K away and wanted to see what damage was done to those closest to the blast to improve it. But they all failed as the frames that where concreted into the ground just blew over and the glass stayed intact. Would you be interested? Pity I don't get a commission for selling that stuff but if you are near big windows you need it. ;)
Col ]:)
by geekchic
of why there will never be peace in the world!
Come on people, a terrible thing has happened in London. Innocent people have been hurt and killed...this is not the time to be throwing insults back and forth. Show some consideration for others! I don't care who did what in the past...the concern now is for the people who have been directly (and indirectly) affected by this bombing! Wake up and grow up! This could have happened anywhere...to me or to any of you out there! How would YOU feel if you didn't know where your brother, sister, wife, husband or parents were right NOW!
Pull yourselves together and show some compassion for your fellow man for gosh sake!
All of you that posted a kind and considerate message please ignore this rant but most of the messages in this discussion just make me sad!
by cuteelf
GUESS WHAT!!
TROLL TROLL TROLL
DONT FEED THE TROLLS
by eltel
1) I personally made no comment on GW. As far as I can tell only one person did, yet you chose to make a reprehensible statement at a most inappropriate time. That is why I took offence.
2) To the best of my knowledge we are not 'mealy mouthed' about Islamic terrorists, nor have we ever been. However, like most free thinking democracies in the world, we are able to air our opinions (without being called unpatriotic), which is where I suspect your opinions have been informed. You've obviously been listening to our more 'left leaning' citizens who opposed Iraq and our involvement.
4. I would not like to make the assumption that you have not travelled extensively outside the US, but I have and I can assure you that in many, many parts of the world the US is seen as an aggressor and a bully, not just in the Middle East and not just because of their military might.
5. If you believe for one second that the US is safe because it's flexed it's military muscle then your fellow countryman have my deepest sympathies.
Incidentally, I won't go into the subject of where the IRA got the vast majority of their funding.
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