London Bombed

and been treated as well as he deserves by everyone.

First we wipe him, then we flush him.

:)

Didn't you see the intended irony?

Just like, "I'm actually not here to bash America, but....."

It's beautiful irony, don't you think? Didn't you get it?

As for the brothers, they went out and kicked some friggin a$$ INSTEAD of hunkering down defending themselves.

"It's truly bizarre for people to object to a war against terrorism that has resulted in the liberation of severely oppressed people in both Afghanistan and Iraq."

First the war with Iraq was never sold as a terrorist war. It was sold through out Bush's first campaign on WMD. I remember when he was first running for office and listening to him, and going, if he is elected we will be at war with Iraq this before 9-11. It wasn't until after 9-11 and really present day that this administration uses the word terrorism as there reasoning. I feel he is using this as one of his many cover ups for the lies given to America and the world.

Now the battle in Afghanistan is a whole different story. Osama Bin Ladin the leader of al Qaeda was in this country. Being that Osama was the one RESPONSIBLE for the 9-11 attacks, nobody had a problem with going into Afghanistan and taking out the terrorists. But we failed there. Isn't Osama still alive and running free? But the problem was Bush really didn't care that much about Osama. His concern, as was all through his campaign, was getting Saddam. The 9-11 attacks really gave him an excuse to deploy the troops to that region.

Now if I take your comments about terrorism and apply it as a whole. Shouldn't we be then attacking Iran, N Korea, Phillipines, Isreal, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and who ever else harbors terrorists? Should we, as we did in Iraq, just send our troops in to these countries?

I make my comments here because I am getting really tired of Bush's administration lying to everyone. When I hear we are in Iraq to fight terrorism it is a lye. We did not go into Iraq because of terrorism. We were sold on WMD. Terrorism does need to be fought. What happened yesterday in London was an extreme tragity. One that could very easily happen here in the US.

...behind your implication anyway, but I didn't post that thread to bach Americans. It was more focused on the reactions I saw, many of which would have mad eyou cringe too. For you to even extract one portion of my post as being the focus or objective of the post merely shows an ego that only views comments toward his people as relevant.

I have also credited Americans as great hosts and very kind people in other discussions regarding this visit. YOu don't understand tha SOME people may not be favourable, because they are Americans that coul ddo no wrong? You agree with all US comments now or something? You complain about people's stupid comments, attitudes and political beliefs here all the time, does that make YOU Anti-American then? Are you bashing Americans when you call fellow American names for not sharing your opinion on something?

When you said, "...THIS was why I was against changing focus...".

But the focus was not changed. The end goal was the same. The focus only expanded to include something else.

The "focus" and goal is to combat and eradicate terrorism, wherever it may exist, and in whatever form it exists. And it is being combated in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in the USA, in the Philippines, in Europe, in........

If we "focus" on ONLY one hot-spot at a time, we would be ignoring the bigger picture.

Sorry, but I prefer the way it's being done over your way.

I didn't expect you to agree with my biew, just to see my point as you seemed to have it skewed or lumped in with the majority of democrat's opinions.

Remember, I don't buy all teh democrats BS either. Singing KumBaYah isn't going to help now, we don't need to make daisy chains we need to build strong alliances.

By changing the focus, I was pointing more toward the PEOPL's focus. Those who feel thet The Middle East and Iraq is where the battle is fought, where resolution will be found. Those who have fogotten the words AlQaeda or Bin Laden or sleeper cells.
Those who feel the threat isn't HERE but is THERE.

The mention of internal threats form these growing AlQaeda based groups around the globe has gone very quiet, people are not concerned about what's happening HERE as much as focused elsewhere, where it is easier to stomache I suppose.

I know the world's governments are handling this on MANY different levels, I am just getting tired of thse who feel that the USA is the only force working to end terrorism or looking in the right place to do so. You can't tell me you don't know of these millions of diverted attentions, when was the last report on the growth of AlQaeda cells shown on ANY news channel or reported in the newspapers? It's become a forgotten issue by many, who seem to have lost respect for allies, who are focused in these areas as much as others are focused on the middle east.

Just about every channel were reportnig on this all day. SUSPECTED terrorists were AlQaeda. Then it was the offshoots of AlQaeda (which is what Britain has been preparing against for years now).

There were some reports that it was uncertain, others that it was certain and they even though AlQaeda had claimed responibility, they were still investigating. Then it was brothers of AlQaeda confirmed. IN the morning when I was in the states though, it was Muslim terrorists and people (at the hotel) were immediately relating it to Iraq not being supoprted by teh allies, as if mroe troops in Iraq would have prevented it.

I still believe it is one of thos MANY active AlQaeda offshoots that they have known of for a long time and have been aware that they woudl most likely bomb the tube, though not knowing when. They were waiting fo rthis shoe to drop, they've watched them rebuild their groups and rally against Bush and Blair right in England.

I FIRST thought it may be related to the UK Olympic win, but have since though that while it MAY be the reason for the timing, it was still probably one of these AlQaeda cells in England. Once it was reported as much, it is pretty easy to accept, until proven undoubtedly of course.

I said that PRIOR to 9-11 the talk was about WMD. AFTER 9-11 it turned to terrorism. That was a very easy sell here in the US as most people were very fearfull of terrorism after 9-11.

have you hear of or read the Downing street memo?

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/

You are right that I didn't listen to his speech. I have a very hard time listening to any of his speeches. He is such a poor public speaker that it is very difficult to watch or listen. When I watch other leaders speak they are very fluid. Bush has his jerky tones and movements that it gets to be embarassing saying he is representing our country.

Colin, I haven't really seen much Canadian news realy either. I was 'reacting to the reaction' of the people and things I noticed that's all.

My conclusions as to responsibility are agreeably based on assumptions of what I thought was coming, what THEY were expecting and what the CLAIMED was teh cause when it happened.

I am only just now starting to get caught up and will spend some time doing a little more local digging when I can.

Geeze that's easy his lips are moving.

And it has been proven over and over Bush has lied and made huge mistakes with the war with Iraq.

Here is one link. I'm taking off from work now and will look up more to give to you after the weekend.

http://www.sundayherald.com/27735

There has been a stir about Big Brother in England for many years. There are cameras all over the place there.

A show I watched AGES ago now was about a guy who made a really cool alien monster suit, stilts and all, and went roaming around London in the wee hours, just to play head games with the police who were monitoring it. They eventually did send out cars to investigate him and they folowed him for a few bocks, wondering what the hell it was, before turning on the lights.

He showed how on his route home from work, he was in full camera view at ALL times right to his house, where sitting in his living room, the camera across the street also beamed right at his window.

You may be able to appreciate the inspiration behind this from British band then:

Up here in space
I?m looking down on you
My lasers trace
Everything you do

You think you?ve private lives
Think nothing of the kind
There is no true escape
I?m watching all the time

I?m made of metal
My circuits gleam
I am perpetual
I keep the country clean

I?m elected electric spy
I?m protected electric eye

Always in focus
You can?t feel my stare
I zoom into you
You don?t know I?m there

I take a pride in probing all your secret moves
My tearless retina takes pictures that can prove

I?m made of metal
My circuits gleam
I am perpetual
I keep the country clean

I?m elected electric spy
I?m protected electric eye

Electric eye, in the sky
Feel my stare, always there
There?s nothing you can do about it
Develop and expose
I feed upon your every thought
And so my power grows

I?m made of metal
My circuits gleam
I am perpetual
I keep the country clean

I?m elected electric spy
I?m protected electric eye

Protected. detective. electric eye

-Judas Priest

As a Canadian myself, most of the people I talked to opposed the war because there were other "fish to fry". The Korean issue had a much larger potential for proliferation of WMD. Afghanistan is still by no means solved.
We also were aware of the fact that people like Colin Powell, and I can't remember the name of the 2 high ranking generals who were concerned about the low troop level which Rumsfeld & Wolfowitz considered to be sufficient to maintaining the peace. We could see that the aftermath was being left unconsidered. At least that's the general feeling I got.

That being said I wholeheartedly support (and most of the people I talk to do also) what your troops are now doing there.

I'm not just sticking up for Col because I'm an Aussie too, but because I can see exactly where he's coming from.

While I condemn this act of terrorism with righteous anger, mostly because it's innocent civilians who always cop it in these attacks, it actually saddens me more than it maddens me.

Col has a point to make. Initially, no-one knew who was at the bottom of all this. At first, it was believed to be some power surge in the system until the bus was blown up, so Col's suggestion of disgruntled ex-employees wasn't really wrong -- at that stage.

Then, of course, a website was discovered where Al Qaeda, or at least some offshoot of them, actually claimed responsibility, but even here you've got to tread carefully. All kinds of wackos will try to 'claim responsibility' just to get in on the act. They want to be noticed, to have their fifteen minutes in the spotlight.

No-one, least of all the authorities, can jump to conclusions in such a serious situation as this. They must sift through every little piece of evidence until they're quite certain who the culprit/s is/are. This often takes time -- days at least, often weeks. Be patient.

Then again, while the UK, and certainly London itself, has had more than its fair share of bombs and terrorist activities over the years, none of these (previous) events have been terrorism on the global scale that we recognise it as today.

Most of it's been associated with the Irish and the IRA, which, while killing and maiming innocent people, was more in the context of what I'd call local terrorism. No other (western) country, to my knowledge, has suffered IRA and Irish-associated attacks as has the UK (and, by definition, London). Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

So, if Col was perhaps a little indiscreet or forceful in his post, making it sound as if maybe he doesn't care, I think a re-read of his post will tell you otherwise.

I happen to know Col, so I can quite honestly say he is not the kind of person to treat the London tragedy in the way you folks have obviously interpreted his post.

For myself, I've already said how I feel. Hey, I've got rellies living over there!

So next time, before you condemn, please read a post thoroughly. A holocaust by any other name . . .

At least, I don't think so and I'm certainly not.

All of the flames were directed at dwyermj's posts and [b]he[/b] was going off on one because of one of the tags. Major GWB supporter who didn't like the anti-GWB tag.

No, we have got to wait and see who did it, if there was one or more suicide bombers (I hope not) and then tailor our reponse accordingly.

The timing, first full day of G8, suggests anarchists and the method, indiscriminate, multiple timed bombs and no warnings, suggests al Qaeda.

Neil

They knew of the groups, they just need to burn them out. While I think free speech is fine, hate speech of any kind must be met with the only thing those spewing it know, violence.

I know it sounds trite, but the only thing the islamic extremists/neo-nazis/IRA/ know is violence, so let's take it to them.

As for pay, Bacon's Rebellion was an interesting chapter in terrorism. Bacon' not only fed his troops, but "gave" them land and promise of money once the "indian threat" was finished and the state government toppled. Terrorists always know the fastest way to get recruits, promise them what they need/want...money/power/virgins/etc

While I know that muslim != terrorist, I also know that these sleeper cells have very unique fingerprints and can be tracked in what they are doing. Most sleeper cells operate on the same premise and when they wake up, they have a short period of time to get what then need. We know what the fingerprint is, we just need to act on it.

My feeling, at thins point, is if you burn the flag and promise death in pain, you shall reap what you wish to sow. My tolerance of this garbage is 0 and I have no simpathy for the cowards and waste of life these terrorist are.

And was shocked not to see a single Sun Hill Officer in front of the cameras. Being the Public Face of the Met I would have thought that they would have been used at least at one of the bomb sites. :p

But on a much more serious note Ian Blair the Police Commissioner was the best one as he said publicly that this was not the action of a real Muslim as Muslim's respect life and so on. He came across very well and looked great into the bargain.

It was great to see everyone at the memorial services as well seems that everyone is more than a bit peeved off at what happened.

Col ]:)

My post wasn't directed at you, Neil, because I know you wouldn't shoot your mouth off at Col.

But if you take a look at the other three (or four?) posts below Col's original, then you'll see what prompted my reply.

I really don't think any of them had read his post properly, or thought about it either.

Col, we had blanket coverage on Thursday night when it happened, so I expect you did too.

It was right in the middle of the 7.30 Report, and instead of finishing at 8 for Catalyst, they went right on until 8.30.

The rest of the evening's programs were simply scrapped, and between us, the BBC and CNN, that was all we saw for the rest of the night.

Yes, I thought the Police Chief was good too, but it's still hard to figure out who actually did it. No doubt we'll hear in the fullness of time, of course.

Quite indiscriminate, as it happens. Tonight's news showed a distraught Muslim guy who's daughter was probably travelling on that bus that was blown to smithereens.

Nuff said, I think.

Was directed at dwyermj who came out with some really stupid ideas.

Did you notice the difference between the BBC and CNN coverage? I couldn't believe that they where reporting the same thing as the two where so different. We had Ian Blair telling everyone at the Live Press Conference that he really had no idea of who was responsible and that there had been 7 explosions and at that time 20 something confirmed dead. Since then the reporters have changed the number of explosions down to 4 and naturally the death toll has risen which is to be expected as they dig deeper in and do it safely rather than rush in and have more people needlessly killed.

Anyway tonight "Saturday" the ABC had coverage of a memorial service where every Religious Group attended and all denounced the attack. Not a single sign of any hostility between people at all. It was very nice to see. No racial hatred and no finger pointing at specific groups just a general condemnation of the whole thing and those responsible. I thought it was great.

Of course just about everything is up and running again and there are only a few small areas that are currently out of commission so come Monday London Time everything will be back to more or less normal. I dare say that the British Police will have their primary investigation all but wrapped up as well by then as far as gathering evidence goes anyway and I'm betting that within a few weeks they will know who is responsible not just which Organization but the individuals.

However what I did find disturbing & I've posted it to Neil down lower was that we didn't see a single member of the Sun Hill Station in the TV Coverage from the BBC. They messed up bit time there. :p

Col ]:)

Max, I was wrong about Bush not speaking of terrorism in his campaign. I have found that he did mention it in some of his speeches. Although, I will say I learned a whole lot more about this and will say thanks.

Bush did make mention in his campaigns about terrorism BUT WMD was his main reasoning for invading Iraq. Again this is pre-9-11. I have found a wealth of information regarding this whole Iraqi mess. I did a simple search on google "bush iraq" and wow the information that came forth is abosolutly amazing just on those two words. There is information regarding both sides of the story. Yet, most of the information leads to proving Bush lied about his reasons for justifing war.

You say Bush wants to fight terrorism, yet an answer I have yet to recieve is. Wasn't Al Qaeda and Osma Bin Ladin resposible for the trade center attack?? Did we ever catch Bin Ladin? NO If Bush is so dedicated to fighting terrorism, why did we shift focus in Afghanastan and the hunt for Bin Ladin to Iraq? Why didn't we finsh the first job before commiting so many troops to Iraq? It has since been proven Iraq did not have the WMD and that there was no link to Al Qeada.

While I can understand the arguement Saddam may have slipped the WMD out of Iraq or that they be small amounts and could be hidden anywhere, what I don't understand is, Saddam knew this war was to take him out of power so why not use these WMD against the troops. I mean it is not as if we were going in there and because he hid or removed the weapons we were going to put him back in power.

There is way to much information showing what Bush said justified war was wrong and does not warrant the lives lost because of it. Sadly to Bush this is a joke. Remember his searching the Whitehouse for the WMD?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3570845.stm

Now we have the spin the administration is putting on the word "fixed"

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/justify/2005/0622fixed.htm

I say we fight terrorism but lets really fight the terrorist. We knew in the first gulf war what Saddam was about. I was given many reasons why we didn't take him out then. But what has really changed since then?

Yes, Bush did often speak of terrorism, in almost every case it was about how terrorist use WMD, have obtained or sought WMD, how terrorist will use WMD, biological and chemical weapons etc.
Over and over again, it is terrorism WITH WMD.

Even BUCH admitted that, he went expecting to find WMD, but had at least been able to topple Saddam and help establish and build the grounds of democracy in Iraq.

Now I know troops aren't being pulle dout soon, but WILL they be pulle dout prematurely in the end, much as the bulk of the force was removed from Afghanistan, allowing the Taliban to prosper just outside the boders, seeing womens repression slide back into it's former state for the most part, seeing the utility infrastructures they had built get destroyed, seeing men once again spit at and throw stones at women who walk freely in public without a wearing a bourqa (sp?, funding and security was reducedto next to nothing, the only woman with a voice in government was quickly dismissed, the women attending schools and medical training were no longer safe to do so as the security detail was eventually turned over to the same thugs that repressed them in the first place etc. Just and endless list of failures, mixed with a few good points here and there.

It was said by many that the job wasn't finished and should have been followed through with the same global allied strength it was started with. That AlQaeda hadn't been slowed and continued to grow stronger than before and with an even more intense agression to Western Civilization.

Sure, American troops are doing a good job in Iraq, but I feel they should have at least followed through with the first job, unless under a direct threat of attack or if war declared against them or something.

WHile some resources ARE of course being focused on a global and internal scale by the USA, the majority of the people's focus and support has been changed to Iraq. Almost as if to hide the threats that exist within your borders in some sort of need to know basis.

WMD, were seen by most people I have spoken to as the reason for war, perhaps GWB could have at least cleared up this misconception by the masses sometime, but it must have been convenient not to.

sure, just remove all non-muslims from every piece of land EVER held by muslims at any time in history and never go back.

That is the ONLY way you can temporarily appease the "discontent". Of course all non-muslims would HAVE to die later on as they make the super-muslim state that Bin-ladin was after.

You can't reason with unreasonable people that believe they get an orgy in heaven if they blow themselves up with a bunch of innocent civilians.

And no reasonable person can even TRY to blame this on Iraq as this type of behavior has been going on for decades, not years. Of course that won't stop people with no intelectual honesty from trying.

Yes, I can see what you mean now, Col. I guess it was just the way the posts were arranged within the thread at that point; it looked as if they were having a go at you!

Who is this 'dwyermj' anyway? He/she either got out of bed on the wrong side that day or is just naturally abusive. I hope it's only the former.

Damn! To think I watched The Bill on Saturday night too! As you say, Col, not a mention of 'em anywhere during the bombing coverage! Was that the fault of the Beeb or CNN??

Gret

As you do! Didn't the US News cover the Memorial Service in London where all Religions where represented and all including he Muslim Community where condemning the Bombings?

Did you see Allan Blair the Police Commissioner in London say quite openly that it was not Muslims who where responsible because the Muslim faith respected life?

Sure these people might like to think of themselves as Muslims but they really are not. Just like GWB isn't a Good Christian he only claims to be. But he doesn't show any real evidence of wanting to act like a Christian instead of turning the other cheek he starts a war. While it might make the bulk of US Citizens feel all warm and fuzzy inside thinking that their Government is doing something to protect them their actions are hardly those of a good Christian though are they?

Col ]:)

That they are a "Good Christan" who instead of turning the other cheek comes out with an army of people and indiscriminately kills off those that they don't like and rapes and pillages as they go along. Almost sounds like the Crusades all over again. :D

Col ]:)

Point the finger at Canada. Americans hold contempt for most of Canada. Don't get me started living on the west coast I see how fair America is to Canadians. Americans have never treated Canadians with respect. American Politics use bully tactics on Canada so they can exert there will with our industry and resources. Funny Canada stands up on a principal and look how how so called American friends act. There was no doubt that terrorism needs to be dealt with. After all it is is senseless murder, and truth be known this Canadian had tears when I saw 911. But going to war against one country under the guise used by the Americans was wrong, and again many countries did not support this action.

I understand the American frustration and while I hold your political leaders in contempt I still have many good American friends. The problem of terrorism cannot be dealt with taking over a country and routing one bad government. The solution has to come from the breeding grounds and the countries that allow this belief to manifest.

Terrorism will end when the middle east and all countries in that region learn to live together, and except other countries like USA,Britain and Canada etc as friends. What is so funny here is that countries like Britain, USA, Canada and more fuel their econimic well being.

As for the bombings in London again tears. Such a senseless act.

On tonight's news apparently there was a phone call to the Police in Birmingham which resulted the the center of that town being evacuated for no good reason other than the fact that some stupid fool claimed to have placed at least 1 bomb there.

The fact that is was accomplished by the UK Police with out any real problems and no mass panic only goes to show just how well the adverage UK Subject takes these things and go about their business calmly.

I hope that these fools are caught and punished for all the inconvenience that they are causing. These fools do not deserve their 15 nanoseconds of fame they should be made to pay for the Actions of the Police and any business/person who has been inconvenienced by their stupidity.

Maybe it's about time for the reintroduction of the Stocks in the Town Square again where these fools can suffer the ridicule of those that they have inconvenienced. :^O

Col ]:)

Monty Pythons,Terry Jones, is hosting a four part series on Canada's History Television called The Crusades. Terry Jones was Monty Pythons medievil specialist, who came up with much of the irony shown in The Holy Grail.

Should it ever air your way, watch it, it is excellent!

against terrorism particularly those who are prepared to die for their cause. War on terror by dropping bombs on people miles below or kicking their doors in and pointing guns at their heads on the basis that they have the same head covering seems to me to be a long way from any sort of victory though. For every terrorist you nullify you make ten more.
Course for any democratic leader to wage a largely invisible war on terror would be political suicide.
The only solution I know to terrorsim is to cut their powerbase and that's their popular support, killing members of their family, imprisoning them without recourse to any law or holding a gun to their heads isn't going to achieve this. It's the terrorists who are the bad guys after all.

He was at the very left of the labour party pre-blair. He's mellowed a little now, but at one point the political divide between me an him was about a 100 times wider thn the one between you and me and used to be a much more rabid socialist them as well.

And you see this happening in YOUR lifetime????

" No more talking. No more defense only. No more excuses. No nothing -- except total victory."

Good luck with that Max, terrorism is as widespread as grass is and has been around more than many of our lifetimes combined.
You think straightening out the Middle East is gonna help? You can't even get at the terrorists that live IN America.

or I didn't put enough into it.

I didn't [b]intend[/b] to inply that it is muslims that are the issue here. Just the radicals that go around blowing civilians up.

I was talking about the groups that do these attacks world wide and have been for a long time. I really do believe that many muslims just want to live their lives the best they can.

But that doesn't change the fact that these people that have hijacked their religion are looking to make a super muslim state with no non-muslims. And yes this includes the eradication of Isral, not just a "withdrawl". These people would have their own gas chambers fired up to kill anyone who gets in their way. Including you and me Col.

its all countries in the middle east that have to correct their own situations. Everytime a country other then one from the Middle East gets involved problems arise. If needed its time that Western countries stop playing the middle east baby sitter. Stop buying their oil if possible, set up trade sancations, refuse their money apply pressure to get these countries to grow up and deal with their religious hates. Tall order considering this area of the world has been fighting for how long.

And further more my post was with repects to the remarks about Canadians and their failure to support the Americans. Again let me point out that many feel that the Americans are bullies and they try to push Canada around. Only this time Canada stayed their ground.

Any idea if it's made it to DVD status yet, Oz Media? I'd like to see if I can get hold of a copy.

Gret

It will most likely air here on the ABC in about 2 years time. That's about how far behind the rest of the world we are. :^O

Col ]:)

As for DVD, I think it's a new history channel series, I don't know if the DVD is available, yet.

Here's a link to a quick blurb in the History Canada website, http://www.historytelevision.ca/tv/shows/titledetails/title_60177.asp
The link for this week's eipsode will take you to another small blurn on that episode.

I missed last weeks, because I was in Washington and Oregon for the week, last Wednesay was at a concert so I can't complain, even thoug the Jihad episode would have been really cool.

He's funny as hell but dead serious and VERY clever at the same time. I love all the different miniseries that Eric Idle, Tery jones have done, these guys are so entertaining and yet so educational at the same time. TV worth watching at last

Have fun! :)

Ever tried to board the ferry at Duke point after it leaves the dock?

You have about the same chance of getting your point across to Maxwell. If Bush said the sky was green, you'd never convince him otherwise, regardless of what he ses for himself.

It's really going to go nowhere and you will just end up being flamed when you makes sense.

Grin and bear it, WE know what Canadians think of America's government, they will always assume it's jealousy or some other ridiculous issue other than a fault of their own.

Yesterday, I as at Sandown in Sydney for some similcast races. My fevorite batender(ess)sneered at me when I handed her US, "What they hell are these supposed to be for?" Then "I hate that Bush a**hole, don't even get me started! She ran a tab for me until I went to the teller and got some 'real money'.

She used to be married to an American and has two American born kids, she's working to get their Canadian citizenship now.

One of my best friends is American, but he just refuses to admit it n public these days. Doesn't talk much in case his accent is noticed.

You gotta feel sorry for all those Americans who really are decent people though, I met a whole bunch last week that were so apologetic for what is going on, some that even admittedly voted for Bush were trying to buy us rounds all night at the hotel bar because they didn't want to be lumped in with the others and seen as a**holes. "Hands across the border" was all we kept hearing, "I wish I was Canadian these days, you huys are so cool!" etc.

So it's just the few who are blind enough to follow Bush's lead that don't see the world around them, for the most part they aren't a bad bunch though. Most haven't got a clue what a Muslim or a terrorist even is, so they just lump them in as one. Their TV isn't much better though, you've probably seen enough US news inNanaimo to know how they are so easily bluffed into action by that in which they trust (and it's more than God).

Come to think of it, I wonder when their money will be changed to 'In Bush we Trust' LOL! :D

I'm sure Bush has that goal when Iraq is 'said' to be over, no matter what state it's really in.

Must be an interesting mixture!

:D

Thanks for that link, Oz Media. I had a little explore around the site to see what it said about the episodes, and it's just the kind of thing I love to watch on telly. Anyone on the Python team are great at this sort of thing, and Eric Idle, I can imagine, would be really terrific.

However, as Col says, it'll probably be a couple of years before we get this series over here. Blimey, Aussie can be backward at times!

It won't stop me going to the local ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation, equiv. of the Beeb here in Aussie) shop and having a look around for the DVD though. Even the video would be OK.

Compensation for having to wait so long for the series to arrive here; it'll probably screen on national telly anyway (the ABC) which means there'll be NO commercials! But I hope I have my copy long before that anyway!

Thanks,

Gret

Our hearts and thoughts are with the families of those who did not return home to their loved ones on Thursday evening; and those who are still waiting to find an answer.

With the notable exception of the blast sites, and the continued closure of Kings Cross tube station, (whilst they repair the damage to the tunnels, and clear the wreckage), the London transport system began working again by 6pm and virtually returned to normal working by 6am on Friday ? they call it the Blitz mentality, where Brits dig their heals-in, show their stiff upper-lip and display a comadare that is difficult to find anywhere else in the world ? maybe it?s something to do with the fact that until about 5 years ago, whilst the IRA were conducting their bombing campaigns this was considered a normal event .. maybe a few grunts and groans, with a few grumbles but daily life carried on.

I guess we might call this one a ?love tap?, in that although approx 50 ? 60 people were lost, (they are still investigating the information provided); it was significantly less than either New York or Madrid ? in as much that this was probably someone pointing out that we had let our guard down, and they have taken the opportunity to show that which could be achieved

Surprisingly enough the crowds still gathered in their thousands, and both the Armed Forces and Veterans marched, whilst the Queen rode through the streets in an open-top car through the streets of London to celebrate VE and VJ day. Providing both proof that life carries on, and a two-finger salute, (taken from the salute of the Bowmen to the French at the battle of Agincourt), at those who would like to destroy life; Something that I don?t believe would have happened elsewhere in the world.

Mad dogs and Englishmen ? prick us and we bleed, bully us and we?ll stand shoulder to shoulder irrespective of race, colour, creed or religious belief ? pick a fight, and you?ve chosen the wrong people to pick-on because the Lion roar, and Englishmen stand proud

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The truth is that whilst the press continue to claim that the attacks were carried out by "Al Qeda", there is no evidence available at the moment to substantiate this claim - or even disprove.

The proportion of blame is a political issue that sits with those in power and irrespective of those experts who crawl out of the woodwork at these times is pure hyperbol let us all sit back and take thought at the events that unfolded last Thursday morning; and await for the results of the investigation despite the political spin that may be applied

Arf?s

the'd aal knaa wot ye wuz taa'kin aboot, wadn't the?!

;)

That's funny! And Gadget just reminded me of when I went back to the UK a couple of years ago and my older brother declared "Yow dow tork proppa any mowa!" :)

London is fortunate to have Livingstone as Lord Mayor, if that comment is typical of his attitude. His quote is downright Churchillian in its tone and courage. He sounds much like Giulliani in New York City after the attack on the World Trade Center.

His comments are in stark contrast to that nutter George Galloway, who blames the people of the UK instead of the terrorists. The people of Galloway's constituency must be nutters themselves for voting for him. Galloway sounds like the UK version of Howard Dean.

This is how statistics are misleading.

The population of Canada is not evenly dispersed around that mass of land. In fact we are more urbanized and densely packed population wise than the US. If you take away the greater metropolitan areas of Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal and Calgary (including the suburbs) you get another picture.

Toronto - 5 million
Montreal 3.3
Vancouver 2 million
Calgary 925,000

So out of 30 million Canadians, well over a third live in one of the 4 biggest cities. And population growth is still highest in these centres as well. Toronto gets about 50% of new immigrants to the country.

Sorry Port Hardy doesn't rate in the numbers game.

James

Hardy was a good example actually, in fact teh whole island is.

Victoris, BC's capitol is a city that's main centre is "crammed" into a single harbour about four blocks around (well 3 anyway).

But you can still run full speed in any direction without bumping into people. Ther are people, but there is space too.

Port Hardy, if someone new was to come to town, we'd all now it (yes the whole place would know) in about 15 minutes bt we see a lot of passthrough travellers (ferry and float planes).

BC has so many one horse towns it's not funny.
It really opens up retirement opportunities though, getting acreage, peace and quiet for next to nothing.

I prefer to be outside the city these days, though I find myself IN the city all the time, I just don't hang out in downtown Van much anymore, lived there for too long to enjoy it these days. TO, no thanks.

But when compared to England, our pop density is a pittance, a mere spit in the ocean. It's like cramming everyone in England, and perhaps Alaska to even it out a bit, into Vancouver Island. Calgary, TO, and Van included, ALL on Vancouver Island. NO more cerar grove, no more long beach, no mre national parks, no more 'island life'.

The Isle of Wight is okay though, less people, mainly tourism and still lots of country. But it would fit in West Edmonton Mall, LOL.

In fact, I'd measure them against London. Toronto is rapidly converting any vacant land into high density housing. The number of condos going up is tremendous - many people have predicted a bubble bursting, but we get so many immigrants each year. Canada takes in about 240,000 immigrants a year, and Toronto gets half of them. So the demand is there, and not dropping off until immigration drys up.

Yesterday I was reading a story about a fire that gutted 6 townhomes in a nice, but not outrageously expensive (comparatively) part of Toronto - they claimed 3 million dollars in damage.

If you look at the Windsor to Quebec City corridor, we probably have similar densities to the UK. But drive a couple of hours north of the corridor and suddenly you are in deep woods with small towns for a long distance. Its not really the density here, its the distance. Quite a few people from Montreal drive to Toronto and vice versa. Hardly anyone drives from Toronto to Vancouver.

James

Sorry, could not resist that, when I saw your post title. :-)

One of the great unifying factors in Canada is a universal hate for Toronto. Jacqui, House, no one else jumped on that one?

Of course I meant population density.

James

may not talk complete bowlocks all the time.
'sides actions always speak louder than words no matter what music this weeks sound bytes are introduced by.

At a company that I once worked for we had one "Transported" out to AU to run the place and the first thing he insisted on was that instead of flying around I drive. After all how long would it take to reach one of the places that I had to go to and I could carry so much more and not have to worry about excess baggage. :)

Well I just handed him the car keys and the fuel card pointed him in the right direction and said I'll meet you up there. He drove for half a day didn't get anywhere near as far as I would have got and then insisted that he fly back and I pickup the car and return it because he was too exhausted to drive any further. :(

Then as I'm flying up there I get a message not to come handed to me by one of the flight attendants apparently he had written off the car and was flying back with all the equipment. Of course I had to fill out the insurance forms and do all the paper work for that one. :(

Col ]:)

but I do have a bloody good staff of torturers!

Now THERE was a woman!

...that you really do like living.

I was about to remind you that the GNER service has resumed, and I could be there to torture you in about three hours.....! :^O

we do have building codes to follow on how to remain fat, stupid and uninformed in all aspects of life.

Thank primarily the dumbing down of the public education system which as been hijacked by the teachers union and the Democratic party. We learn almost NOTHING about ANYTHING outside our country during our whole time in school. Sure they talk about WWII and vietnam and now the gulf war, but basicly just that it happened and the dates they happened on.

Because the teachers get evaluated on how the students score, they have to not put anything difficult in front of the kids or they may get a bad grade.

Growing up, I live an hour and a half from Canada and if wasn't for hearing about the casinos and peeler joints in Winsor I wouldn't have even known they were there. Oh wait, they did mention Canada ONCE and that was because of the draft dodgers going there to avoid going to NAM. England? Oh yeah they teach us how we beat up on them to avoid "taxation without representation". How many died to keep from having to pay taxes to England again?

It really is hard to learn about other countries from the US. I have learned more about other countries here in TR than in my entire 16 years of education. The weeks I spend in Canada at TriOs for my Unix training went a long ways too.

So yes, I am deeply embarrassed that people here would say and think such stupid things.

But it also shows that the terroists don't know their history either. England will not quiver no matter how many bombs you drop on them. We have seen that.

I am a devout coward!

I don't recall FOX ever casting the UK in a bad light?

Now the French, yes they haven't been nice to them but it is only because there wasn't much to be nice about.

But the UK? Unless this is a recent change. I haven't been turning the tube on since the divorce started and have been kind of unplugging from everything lately.

This is just an a$$clown that probably had to get a GED because he dropped out of school because they didn't like him kissing his mother with open mouth and tongue in when she dropped him off in the morning.

Raleigh and Essex learned the hard way how sharp the wrath of Good Queen Bess could be.
;-)

Ben Franklin said it best:

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." :)

Or Tommy Chong talking about weed? :)

As I watch and read news accounts of the situation there, they are saying that London is back to its normal bustle, albeit a little more wary. Is that you take? I did see one story that bicycle sellers are doing brisk business as some people are trying to avoid the public transit.

I have seen his Crusades series, and it is good, educational and funny at the same time. He also did a series called "Medieval Lives", I think it was called, which had 1-hour episodes devoted to particular occupations in medieval times, such as The Peasant, The Monk, The Knight, etc., with Jones portraying examples of that particular occupation, and it also debunked many of our myths about medieval times, and was hilarious at the same time. I saw it on the History Channel here in the USA.

Mister "I don't care for all that VS stuff" and "just like them in my dress shirt and boxers".

HA! Your just as big a pervert as the rest of us! :^) You have just outted yourself!

jdclyde...I said I don't need it...and that if a woman wanted it, I wouldn't tell her not to...it's just that I don't need VS or any other stuff on a woman to love her or think she's beautiful.

and btw, her name was Danielle, she was 5'6, 112 lbs, blonde hair, blue eyes, and a stripper...and I was seeing her...not seriously dating...and, she liked VS...and I was there with her...and I ended up in the dressing room with her for...oh...better than 20 minutes...

So...Captain Cackle...put that in your Jaeger bottle and toast it...cause it's been done long ago... :p hahaha

I did.

are with the people and families who lost and injured their loved ones. America is behind you always. I hope these terrorists are caught and brought to justice.

Wayay Pet! I diven knoa yeh were soo feisty! ;)

Sorry you've lost me here what did I do or say?

I keep telling everyone I'm just a 12 year old girl who does everything that daddy tells me. ]:)

Col ]:)

Do YOU have any pictures little girl? ]:)

London a few days ago they already have the names of at least 3 of those responsible and none of them where outrageous Religious Fanatics but just run of the mill people.

Col ]:)

And if any wanted pictures I had to tell the Police and then point and scream out Pervert. :D

Col ]:)

The Number One song her at the moment and for the last 200 + years is "Willy the Wingding POM!"
It goes something like this. :)

With A WT & WP I'm Willy the Wingding POM
London where's I'm from
When I landed on the docks in AU I was greeted with "GO HOME YOU POMMY BARSTEWARD!"

It only gets better from there on in but TR would pull it if I posted any more. :^O

Col ]:)

ar am a geet gud Geordie lass, ye knaa!

(GEET gud. Nivvor had nee comlayants yit kidda, nen t'all!)

GG

you'll definitely have to translate for me when Steve and his family aren't around me...hahahaha.

I gotta learn to understand the Geordie girls somehow!!!!

or is that...sumhoo? ;)

and already booked, remember?

1. Bottle of Newcastle Brown Ale
2. Home cooked dinner
3. Translation services

Cost....??? ]:)

(Dare you ask?) ;\

GG

As long as it doesn't involve large sums of currency going out of my pocket, breaking basic moral standards (adultery, theft, blah blah blah), involves no restraints, and will cause me no physical harm...

Well...name the price for the King of Swill!!! ]:)

well, that depends....

you want mates rates, I gather??

:D

You're offering the following:-

"translator available... (285 of 296)
and already booked, remember?

1. Bottle of Newcastle Brown Ale
2. Home cooked dinner
3. Translation services"

I know in your neck of the woods the men used to go out to fight the English just to get away from the really dangerous things that they lived near "Their Women" but if you played your cards right you could be getting JCK to pay you while you did as you wish with him. :D

Col ]:)

Don't Col!

I don't think he's realised yet!

;\

GG

I'd think I'd want some sheilas...not mates...hahaha :D

1. Mates rates over here means a freebie...i.e. nuttin', zero cost, zip, nowt.

2. Mates are also the brand name of condoms....

(wish I had a webcam on you right this second!)

GG

ok...mates rates are ok... :)

as for condoms...jesus...I could tell you what was purchasable...over 10 years ago?

I guess Trojan, Ramses, Lifestyles and all those are still around in the USA...unless they all became merged and made "stick slicker" brand...hahahaha...

I can see the slogan now:

"Stick slicker...the personal poncho for the part you like to get wet."