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Ah, the halcyon days of the early 20th century. The birth of motoring and the start of commuting and communication for the masses.

Only the rich had a 'horseless carriage'. They were not a mass produced commodity, but a luxury item, individually made and bought by the wealthy. Anyone who had the means could buy a 'car' and drive it from A to B with impunity.

In the late 1800's, a law was introduced into the UK stipulating that all such conveyances had to be preceeded by a man on foot, waving a red flag to warn oncoming road users (pedestrians, horses, cyclists) of the approach of such a contraption. This was the earliest form of 'road safety' for the automobile.

Let's come forward 100 years...cars are now an everyday thing, and indeed many households have more than one. No longer do we need the man with the flag. Over the years the 'safety man' has been replaced with 'rules of the road', traffic signals, speed limits, safety features on the vehicles and most importantly, driving licences. The driving test was introduced into the UK in the mid-1930's and has been developed over the years. It has undergone changes in the last few years introducing a new safety section and a computerised theory test.

Yes, accidents still happen...some moron always has to overtake on a blind bend, drive drunk or generally show minimal road sense. Accidents are not caused by vehicles, but by people.

In 1986, I bought my first PC. These things were not mainstream back then! You had to get one from a specialist supplier, they were very costly and you really had to NEED a computer to justify buying one. On my bookshelf here in the office, I still have the original boxed software including the manuals. The system was a 286/12 with a 40Mb hard disk and 1Mb RAM. Installed on this system was MSDOS 4.01, Windows 3.0, Microsoft Word 1.1 and Excel 3.0...nothing else! The boxes containing the software amd manuals weigh just over 10kg (22lb), and if all the manuals are stacked up in a pile, the height of the pile measures almost 78cm (2ft 7"). The manual for MS DOS alone has 584 pages!

I'd never used a PC before, and didn't know anyone else who had one, so the only way I could learn to 'fly it' was by actually sitting down and reading the manuals and teaching myself. This wasn't a problem with the more than adequate literature!

As the years passed, 286 became 386, 386 became 486...Windows 3 migrated to Windows 3.1, then 3.10 then Windows For Workgroups 3.11. DOS5, DOS 6.0, 6.1 and 6.22 came onto the scene. Each generation of development introduced new features, more complexity and added productivity. Did I get an equivalent stack of manuals? No! Just an ever decreasing amount of documentation which eventually just noted changes from the previous version. Nowadays, a manual is almost a thing of the past! Everything comes on CD and if you trawl deep enough, you may be able to find an 'on-line' help file or if you are really lucky, a PDF file you can print off! Everyone assumes that because you just bought this computer, you already know how to use it.

I learned my trade progressively, and the lack of paperwork with each step up wasn't an issue as I had my previous knowledge to build on. What about 'first time' users, unpacking their new XP 3Ghz with ?1000 worth of 'bundled' software for the first time? Just a single piece of paper showing where to plug the phone line and mouse cable into!!!

Now...there are literally MILLIONS of PC's out there...every Tom, Dick and Harry has one...some have two or more at home...and perhaps another one just for the kids. More and more of them are being connected to the WWW.

STOP! This planet is being over-run with the damn things, and we are all colliding with each other and the traffic going to and fro on the Internet. People are going out and buying computers 'because next door just got a bigger, better one' or 'the kids need one for school'.

A car, in the hands of someone who has been taught to drive and has passed a test, is a life-enhancing source of rapid transportation and communication (leaving aside environmental considerations for the purpose of this discussion!) and is generally 'a good thing'. Give one to say a 14 year old child with no horse-sense and no training and it has the potential to become a 'lethal weapon', capable of death and destruction on a serious scale.

Should there be some kind of 'driving licence' for computer users? Should there be some 'rules of the road'? 90% of problems I encounter with computers are related to user ignorance, 7% perhaps malicious damage and the remaining 3% is actual hardware failure.

The percentage of computers per capita of the world population is increasing almost on a daily basis, as did the growth of car ownership in the last century. Governments and safety campaigners have all played a part in making sure that driving a car is a reasonably safe practice, assuming you HAVE trained and HAVE passed a test. Is it time that manufacturers, regulatory bodies and the industry as a whole had more influence on computer useage? Should more 'hard copy' documentation be included with equipment and systems?

Perhaps this industry has evolved because people DON'T know what they are doing? Perhaps by educating users and asking them to prove competence before we let them loose on systems, we risk doing ourselves out of a job?

A friend of mine is an ambulance driver, and spends half of his time scraping up the remains of car accidents. As a computer engineer, perhaps 90% of my time is spent solving problems or doing routine work for people who have insufficient knowledge or simply don't know how to do anything for themselves or have done something 'stupid'. If the people I have to help had actually 'RTFM' (assuming they KNOW what Acrobat Reader is and can FIND the documentation hidden on the CD) or at least had some basic tuition in correct hardware and software usage, my job would be easier and I could get on with some 'real work' instead of constantly 'picking up the pieces' of other peoples mishaps, errors and accidents.

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by mallardtooxx

Without users there would be no need for IT. It is the users that supply the need to expand and improve it user ship. Just like the lowering costs of cars in the early 1900's computers proliferated and eventually it became a "necessity" to have one. While I agree that there is little to no documentation included with today's computers the problem is no one but us techie people would read the manual. When I got my first computer it was the same way, I spent more time reading the manuals then I did actually computing. But here is the crux of the issue, not everyone is a super user. In all actuality it could not be that way, if it were then the face of IT would change completely. I understand the pain it can cause when you are elbows deep in a server installation and some one calls and says Umm why can't I open excel? You get there and they have opened thirty instances of the application because they continued to click and click and click because they knew no better. I hate when that happens. But if it were not for the annoyance of these things then no one would feel they need an IT staff.

IT is still a mystery for many people, they have no clue what we do in the dungeons all day long and they think just because their computer turns on they are a Power User! If you were to show a server layout or network architecture mock-up to most people they would scratch their head and say that?s nice. So while I agree that there is a need for better documentation and education with the infernal boxes, I am generally glad there is not. I say that because as long as people keep breaking them, I can keep fixing them and my staff can take their paychecks home to momma and feed the kids.

-duck

by jkaras

Today if a teenager cant use a computer he's an outcast. The majority of children can use and understand the computer than most adults that claim to be computer experts. When I did tech support for dialup most parents were shocked that their kid beat them to the punch as set a password for the parental controls, or bypassed them by uninstalling/reinstalling browser. Most children are being taught on computers either at home or at school. Today computer literacy is concidered as "cool" compared to the yesterdays of dorkdom.

by guruofdos

But more often their 'middle-aged office-working' parents!

And computer 'literacy' is NOT the same as having an in depth knowledge or understanding of the fundamentals. Yes, even my six and seven year olds can 'use' a computer to play games (edutainment I believe the educational 'buzzword' is today) and surf the internet.

What they, or their mother CAN'T do is uninstall a program properly or work out why changing a screen resolution to play a 'legacy' game messes up their system for everything else. The can't diagnose the most basic problems or undo their actions when the inadvertantly do something silly.

My mother-in-law in New York (who is in her late 50's) has two supposedly computer-literate teenagers (my stepchildren) who don't know how to scan a picture and save it as a jpg. The send 20Mb+ TIFF files when a 200k jpg would do fine. Sending them a jpg in return results in an email asking how to open it!! However, they CAN surf for porn, chat to their buddies using AIM, download virus infected files from Kazaa and mess up the modem drivers on a regular basis. When that happens, I have to telephone them from England and talk them through sorting out the problems over the phone! They refer to the 'system case' as the modem and no amount of me explaining things has changed that particular mistake. In my years of retail experience, most 'novice' users referred to the system case as the hard drive...if the hard drive got screwed, the 'computer' wouldn't boot. The fault was the drive...the box didn't work, therefore in their eyes, harddrive=system box.

This is the sort of thing I mean...any old 12year old joyrider can steal a car and 'rag' it, but it takes education and training to drive properly and with consideration for other users.

by oz_media

Your references to British car safety put that in my head right away, I guess those ads did something.

Your post shows a real catch 22 and I agree, it would be nice to not solve ridiculous problems and simply sink my teeth into the network more often. I also agree with Duck's statements that these 'idiots' are the people that keep us fed.

How does that saying go? "A computer tech is the guy who read page 2 of the manual" or something like that.

Most people I help are COMPLETELY capable of resolving their own issues, they just get bewildered and befuddled and are scared to attempt a solution. After watching me resolve the issue, they always say, "Oh, I didn't need to call you, I could have done that!" sure enough, they call me out next time too though.

If I let someone watch me working on a car, they always say, "I didn't realize it was THAT easy!" But the next time, they call me again anyway.

I think many people are just scared to give things a try or push themselves to do something new, which is good for me and my bank account.

As said before, kids these days are learning at a VERY young age. I think that end user support will diminish over time and make way for more specialized support in the fields of security, encryption, networking etc. The manufacturer's help desk will suffer, because home users will be more savvy but the specialized jobs will always be needed.

As for manuals, they cost IMMENSE amounts for software companies to farm out to copywriters. In order to keep software pricing competitive, they have found an alternative, the WEB. An on-line forum or library is much more cost effective and will generally provide only information that has been reported as a problem, thus usually making it easier to resolve your simple issues.

by guruofdos

The one about braking distance...

'Only a fool breaks the two second rule'

And the 'original' Green Cross Code adverts, featuring the 'Green Cross Code Man'.

Oh boy...at least he went on to bigger and better things. The actor who played the GCC Man was actually Dave Prowse, who went on to play Darth Vader in Star Wars.

Equally scary, methinks!

Completely unrelated...the 'Milky Bar Kid' is now 46 and drives an 18 wheeler for a living!

by supra_e

I both sympathise and relate to what you have said...and that mentioned by others that it is sometimes the 'silly' jobs which keep the bank happy

Another emerging trend this side of the pond is the European Computer Driving Licence (ECDL) Any of the British or Euro members have any involvement? I remember doing CLAIT courses for a local college and I was then and still remain convinced that with the none computer generation there are some who just can't see through and past the technology, when I took over there were people at the start of the course who had been on two previous identical courses and still couldn't grasp it??

I find that mostly the younger generation are competent users but only about 20% are what I'd term as super user capability.. for the others its just games and the net.

Ian

by guruofdos

But skipped the two week course! I just asked to sit the exam, and passed it blind, with no preparation.

However I have yet to find any organisation over here in England that actually ASKS whether you have one or not!

I am usually asked to provide another workstation whenever another employee joins the company, and I then spend a day with the new user telling them what's what. One lad the other day did actually produce an ECDL and show it to me. I then only needed half an hour with him just to explain the layout and operation of the company infrastructure and where to find files on the server. This made my day, and so far he has not needed my technical support for anything. Other users who have been here almost 15 years still don't know the basics, and would rather bother me than bother to learn!

by hal 9000

I got in a "New" computer that was built by the user in a non-working state and was asked to fix it up as it never worked at all. I asked for the M'Board book and was told that there wasn't one!

Now this had an Intel M'Board and the M'Board manual is on the CD that comes with the M'Board. Now what I want to know is how does someone who is a first time builder without another computer connect this M'Board without another computer to read the manual?

Sure the rest of us here wouldn't have much of a problem but this is a potential problem for the now common owner builder out there and then there's the matter of what happens when they lose the CD!

by maxwell edison

You're right, Colin. That is the preverbal catch 22, isn't it?

(There is a correct answer to that chicken-egg question, by the way.)

by jkaras

it was either a chicken or and egg and no one was there to see it did it happen?

by mrbill-

The egg came first. It was laid by something that was not quite a chicken, but was a step away, sort of proto-chicken. The egg held the new chicken, a rooster. As it spread its seed to the proto-chickens they started laying pre-modern chickens, cluckis-erectis. The dominant genes of the rooster would ensure change until we arrive at the present day chicken.

A question to evolutionists: If man descended from apes why are there still apes in the world?

by dnvrtechgrrl

I have quite a few employee's who can't find their way to the shower in the morning.

I would be ELATED if they actually had forethought to call when a problem came up.

Instead they ignore it, usually a virus alert, and go about their business.

Utter job security.

by guruofdos

A Philosophers 'Thought Experiment'...

Put a cat in a box...

Using a system such as LD50 (a dose of a toxin such that statistically, 50% of subjects will die within a certain time-frame), infect said cat.

Is the cat alive or dead BEFORE the box is opened at the end of the time frame? There is no way of telling!

Shrodinger even proposed that the cat 'ceases to exist' until the box is opened!

Chickens and eggs, Schrodingers Cat...Heisenbergs Uncertainty Principle.

One thing is certain...of the total computers in the world...less than half are actually necessary. Of these, less than half are used to anywhere near their full potential. Of these less than half the users are competent to extract this potential. The assumption could be inferred that the users with the knowledge to extract the potential from the necessary computers aren't really our problem. It's the other 95% that keep us in beer and groceries.

It would be nice to only have to chase round after , say, 50% of users.

"A time will come when the lion will lie down with the lamb...for now, my money is on the lion"

by jkaras

I thought cat and a box were the same thing? A thank you very much! LOL
As for the proto chickens what happened to them? Were they choked like the cluckis-erectis were?

by mrbill-

The proto-chickens were very tasty and were wiped out in the great Bedrock BBQ of 12K BC. ?A mess of fine eatin that day? says one Fred F. of Bedrock.

by maxwell edison

I'm not sure about the "cluckis-erectis" part, but it was good for a chuckle - or a cluckle, in this case. Nonetheless, the answer is indeed the egg.

by oz_media

After giving your entertaining abalogy of cluckie erectus you then ask such a question as:
"A question to evolutionists: If man descended from apes why are there still apes in the world?"

Why can't chickens fly but most other birds can? There are many different breeds and types of birds who have adapted to best suit thier surroundings.

Different apes show different skillsets.

If man descended from ADAM and EVE, why are there African and Chinese people in the world?

by mrbill-

Why do some apes live in Africa and others in BC? (kidding Oz, don't hurt me!)

I think the evolution theory has merit, Evolution by Devine intervention. God has a pattern to the Universe. God started with the Word and created everything from nothing, could we view it as the Big Bang? What is a day to God? How do you explain 1 billion years to someone whose concept of time is lunar and seasonal? I don?t believe everything was created 8000 years or so ago, the Universe does not fit that pattern. We are created in his image, is that his physical or spiritual? More questions than you can shake a stick at. But I still believe in God/Son/Spirit.

by oz_media

Well chickens do fly but not south for the winter.
Chickens can flap and fly about the farm yard I guess but you rarely need to shoot down a chicken for dinner.

I believe in spirituality and that energy cannot be created or destroyed, therefore, our energy carries on uin a different form after we pass.

The whole guy with the white beard that created the universe just doesn't sit well with me, sorry.
I have also entertained the atom idea where each solar system is actually an atom that makes up a larger being of some sort, I don't do drugs anymore though.

I REALLY don't want to get into a religious discussion here, nobody has come back with photos from the other side yet so the discussion would be pointless speculation that can't even be based on fact, so I'll let that ball drop.

by guruofdos

NASA scientists and engineers recently developed a high velocity cannon for testing the windscreen of the Space Shuttle. Other aeronautical engineers soon adopted the concept for testing conventional aircraft.

The idea was to launch chickens (dead...no live chickens were hurt in these tests) against the windshield or into an engine intake to simulate the effects of high speed bird strikes on the Shuttle and other aircraft.

In Britain, engineers heard of this idea and approached NASA. They wanted to use the system for testing the winsdcreens on the newest generation of 200mph+ High Speed Trains. With all the necessary paperwork completed, NASA duly shipped a cannon to the UK and it was set up on a test rig outside Crewe and pointed at a train in a siding.

To their utter amazement, the first chicken fired not only shattered the windshield, but punched a hole in the backrest of the drivers seat and embedded itself in the rear wall of the cab. Much information was collated and sent to the NASA engineers for their consideration.

The reply was a single line:

'Try defrosting the chicken next time...'

by oz_media

Not to be misunderstood. I don't mean to imply as if I will take on the world and win (I would but that's irrelevant). Another person made a similar comment, seems to be after me saying to Needs-a-life that I've chuckled at a guy with his throat cut.

NOTE: This was while studying advanced industrial first aid. At a concert I was working as security, a guy was removed twice from the arena, he seemed to slip through the cracks and get back in. He was harassing and badmouthing women and causing their boyfriends to lash out against him. He was warned that he'd be better off going home TWICE and still got back in a persisted with his slander to women. Finally an irate boyfriend slit him open and he lay there like a big smiley face until the paramedics took him away. His carotid arteries were still intact so suffice to say he lived. Another incident was while visiting a friend in the emergency ward, I heard a gurgly gagging noise and laughed to my friend about how a frog was complaining that the service was slow, turned out to be a guy with his throat cut. Thus my statement, "I found the gurgly noise to be rather amusing."

If this is NOT what you were referring to, you never saw me, we didn't converse and this discussion never took place. ;-)

by cactus pete

Are you assuming to know what Adam and Eve looked like?

...not that I believe we were decended from any two people anyone ever knew about, but you get my point, yes?

By the way, I've been trying the logic of the egg on people for years, but the people with whom I argue this never seem to be very logical.. Thanks to you who agree with me - the support is welcomed indeed!

by oz_media

Of course I don't assume to know that Adam and eve were caucasian. If they were NOT, perhapse they were asian, where did caucasian's come from?

It's the same as saying that if we desended from apes, why do apes still exist. Obviously, there is more than one breed of APE, to assume there is more than one 'breed' of human is natural.

All in all, aren't we all just mammals that consider ourselves highly intelligent because we can communicate between ourselves even though we can't communicate with other mammals?
Then again, I guess whales fit into that category too, they can communicate with each other but not us.
Why do we then consider ourselves so intelligent?
It's almost as arrogant as thinking we are the only intelligent life in the universe.

by jardinier

This is in response to mrbill's posting, which has reached thread limit.

Having been a keen gardener for the past three decades, I long ago decided that plants exhibit obvious intelligence (you may prefer to call it instinct) in that, when too closely grouped, they will grow taller than their normal shape in order to reach up to the light. In like manner, their roots will be drawn in which ever direction they can find water and appropriate nutrients.

A corollary: Humans need plants, but plants don't need humans. We depend on the vegetable kingdom for supply of oxygen, and food through the various food chains. Contrarily, the human species is a blight on the planet, ravaging its natural resources until such time that the earth may no longer be able to support the number of humans, and creating massive pollution and causing the extinction of countless species of animals and vegetation.

by oz_media

Absolutely freakin' hilarious ! Man, you SLAY me.
I actually got hit square in the helmet by a seagull or pigeon while on the Trans Canada freeway, going quite a clip I must add. it took my visor right off the helmet and practically exploded burd guts all ove my face. I dumped the bike while puking at 120 Kmph and it was a complete write-off. When I got to the Coquhalla Hwy. toll booth, the guy asked what had happened, he said that it happened on a regular basis on that stretch of the freeway. Now I take the old route as opposed to the freeway, much prettier ride and I haven't been hit yet.

by mrafrohead

You know, I was sitting here looking at your nick. And I don't know if I stumbled upon coincidence or a little sneak intentionalism... :p

G. uru
O. of
D. os

Is it just me or did you do it on purpose?

If you don't know what I'm getting at, lemme know please, I'm not sure if this properly gets what I'm saying across, but I'm in hopes that it will if you did it on purpose.

Mrafrohead

by guruofdos

It goes back to 1997 when I was working as a part-time tech in a retail store at weekends. I was the only technician over 30 and the only one who had 'grown up' with PC's since the early days so I had the dubious honour of being the only 'expert' on Windows 3.11 and DOS. Most of the other 'techies' were students or teenagers, and had really only trained on the stores own brands (Compaq, Packard Bell, Advent and IBM). Most of these machines were running Windows95 and none of the other techs knew much about DOS or 3.11.

Because of this, all machines running older OS's were passed straight over to me, until I'd managed to impart some knowledge to the younger techs. I held in-house training seminars for an hour on Saturday afternoons for those who were interested where I taught the 'black arts' of BAT files and CONFIG.SYS.

One enterprising young lady in Customer Care started printing up flyers to give to the rest of the staff (and customers!), advertising these 'teach-ins', and it was she who dubbed me 'Guru Of DOS'. It stuck and I have been called that ever since. I left the store in 2000, but still get the occasional phone call to assist on pre 9x machines. The store is only 100 metres from the office, so I can often nip in for half an hour during my lunch break!

Our lockers in the staff room were labelled with our initials...IT people, you see...can't remember which one is our locker if it isn't labelled. The system was implemented using peoples initials, and it just so happened that there was one other member of staff with the initials MP, one Mark Parker. Of course, it would have been easy to say 'Mike Percival is MP left and Mark Parker is MP right' (neither of us have middle initials), but that upset the security guard who was also a programmer in a 'former life' and insisted on lockers being labelled with unique names, rather like variables!

Naturally, the same lady from Customer Care proposed a resolution...

'We all call him Guru Of DOS, so why not just put GOD on the locker!'

So from then on, I was known as 'Guru Of DOS...GOD for short'

This then spawned a few comedy moments in it's time. A customer would bring in a fried machine and a tech would give them the bad news that it needed parts and a few hours labour and that the cost would be xxx pounds. The common response, especially from the ladies, was 'Oh God!' At which point I would pop up from behind the counter and say 'You called?'!

So now you know!

Have a 'blessed' day!

G.O.D :-)

by jardinier

I happen to have the privilege of having as a good friend Professor Ross Blunden, who helped build the first computer in Australia, while working at the CSIRO (Colin knows about this computer, and told me it is stored in the Powerhouse Museum in Sydney).
Later Prof Blunden became the Foundation Professor of Traffic Engineering at a university in Sydney.

He proudly carries with him at all times a program he created on a hand-held HP Computer, which calculates the flow of merging traffic at an intersection, or toll gate. Fundamentally a mathematician, some of his theory was applicable to the development of computers.

He uses an early Apple computer with two external 5 1/4 in drives, and stubbornly refuses to upgrade to the new technology. Well of course my ambition for years was to teach computing to the man who helped to develop them. Eventually I gave up trying.

However, combining his two fields of expertise, he came up with the idea that the Internet is the "information super highway" which will eventually become clogged up with too much traffic, as has of course occurred on the roads.

by jardinier

On September 22, the space probe Galileo was deliberately destroyed after orbiting Jupiter for eight years. The information which it sent back to earth about Jupiter and it's four moons led a scientist to say:

"By establishing Jupiter had a miniature planetary system similar to our own solar system, Galileo has given credence to the theory that life exists in other parts of the universe," Dr Prentice said. "I think Galileo has demonstrated that, right throughout the cosmos, there must be myriads of other planetary systems just like ours, so we're not alone," he said.

Well apart from the statistical absurdity that humans are the only "intelligent life form in the universe" (that's an oxymoron by the way), if the human race is the best God could come up with, then I think he should return to "Cosmic Primary School" and develop better creative skills.

Incidentally, referring back to another posting in this discussion, it had occurred to me long ago that our solar system might be just a single molecule on God's big toe nail.

by mrbill-

In order for us to say we are the only intelligent life in the universe we first have to prove we are intelligent life, not done so far. My dogs and cats communicate with each other are they on the same level as whales, us? Ants and bees have an advanced communication skill to tell others where food is, are they intelligent? What is ?intelligent??

Some anthropologists say we are all descents of Lucy, a pre-historic woman found in Ethiopia. They say we started in Africa and moved out. Maybe we started in Mesopotamia and moved into Africa and other areas.

Did we all have to start at one spot from one gene set? Could mankind (or is that peoplekind) have sprang up at various locations across the world and develop along parallel lines, it could explain some minor differences between the different races.

by mrbill-

Rainwater flows downhill until it hits a rock then it finds a way around that obstacle and continues downhill, does that make rainwater intelligent? The plants grow taller because they need to get more light, they do not decide to grow, there is no thought to it, they are reacting to the environment. Dogs cats goats whales monkeys dolphins are all intelligent to a point. They still are not sentient, self-aware, an animal will see a piece of food on a ledge above them and may find a way to get it, but they will not plant, tend and harvest. Yes there are ants that have been found to do that, but they do it out of instinct not desire. Has anyone seen an ant ponder what it is, where it came from, where it is going? Man is the only animal who does that. I do agree that man is a blight on Terra, but it is his destiny to be the dominant species on the planet.

Plants need animals, of which we are, to survive, where does the CO2 come from? The nutrients in the soil? Yes I guess they could thrive without man but for what purpose. If a rose grows in the wild how many animals will stop and admire its beauty?

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