The Evolution Truth

it's nearly reached a complexity level where it might become self aware, suspect it will diagnosed with several personality disorders almost immediately though.

we err in favor of a "culture of the living."

Who are we to pronouce otherwise?

Educational, Chaos,String Theory and n-dimensional supergravity, along with relativity. I also remember social interactions in cro-magnon man coming up at one point.
It's just too big though, my old machine dropped dead trying to load the page. My new one struggles badly think I need another gig of ram. I think it should be printed out and preserved for posterity now. Be a good candidate for one of those time capsule things.

none of us knows. We'd like to think we do, but until some 7 billion year old comes out with video tape footage and offers me a ride in his time machine...well...I still have to say all we're doing is making a "best guess".

^ hehehe lol, rofl

The Truth is that man by nature doesn't know the truth and he never will.
Because it is standing right in front of our eyes...
Because we are ready to believe that a cosmic explosion brought life and it evolved but we don't believe that life is not something we own.
We don't like to be told that WE DO NOT CONTROLL A THING not even our hair...
For as long as you try you can not make a black hair white nor make yourself taller but you believe that life is a series of coincidences...

First, quite obviously, this isn't a thread to dicuss Evolution. It's a thread to STOP discussing Evolution.

Secondly, it's all a little more complicated than your post implies (irony alert). That's why there a 1600 post thread discussing "ONLY a scientific THEORY" that you dismiss in such a self-satisfied, inaccurate manner.

Thirdly, as for being lonely? We're alive now. We look around and see a wonderful, infinite, hugely entertaining universe not some artefact centred on our tiny little planet.

Evolution has been around for about 4,000,000,000 years.

Edit: Gratuitous insults removed. They were unwarrented.

The next one might have something new in it. Suggest the title doesn't have the e word in it though.

Thank god for Cain would be a good one, seeing as we don't want a fourth.

you were to share the secrets of your powers with me.

I promise not to tell.

How about we randomly cross-link this discussion with its progenitor?

Massive doses of Prozac and continue taking it for several years by that time after sitting in front of a TV with a remote you'll no longer care about anything but what is going to happen to who ever on Corrugation Street, Passions, Days of our Lives, The BS for the Brain Dead [Sorry that should have read The Bold and the Beautiful} and whatever other daytime TV soaps are on where you live.

You'll even believe that these are representations of real life. :)

Instead of waiting for the pages to load paint a wall and watch the paint dry! :p

It is less stressful that way. :D

Col ]:)

The idea of Creation has only been around for as long as Judo Cristian writings and folk lore have been around.

If you want to look in the Asian Countries where there are older writings the myth of creation as outlined in the Christian bible just doesn't exist, and even where the current crop of writings have been available they where for most of the early years of even the Christian Religion never taken seriously. During the days of the Jewish Religion they where totally ignored by most of the advanced cultures of the time.

If you where to insist in Ancient Egypt that there was only one God you would bring down the wrath of RA upon your head which is exactly what the Jews did do so they remained a subjugated people for several generations after excaping the same fate in previous areas of what is now known as the Middle East.

As to your last sentence it was made very clear to us why we are here it is to find the question to the Ultimate Answer which is 42 so the White Mice built this place as a massive organic computer to solve the problem and come up with the answer. :D

What more proof do you need? :p

Col ]:)

Well you should as currently there are 1.5 Million of my White Mice coming over to pay you a personal visit and they plan on extracting the question to the Meaning of Life the Universe and Everything where the answer is 42 out of you personally. :D

It will be Long, Hard and there will be no Possible Retreat for you my friend you are going to suffer for doing this and you already know it don't you? :)

Just to get you in the mood to answer their questions they are going to expose you to a Vogan reading Poetry for several weeks so you will be more conducive to giving them the answer or should that be the question? :p

Col ]:)

I don't deserve this! ProtiusX spawned the monster and then ran away to Iraq where it was safer.

The White Mice are coming and the plastic fork and knife that they let me have won't cut through the rubber walls of my room.

Noooo!

I've worked out how to kill it.

If the Evolution Lie thread absorbs a thread with some of Oz's posts then IT is DOMOED!

Neil :D

Right on brother! ;o)

Thanks for being understanding.

I have put in for the rest of the week off to try to get my head back together.

The one thing that has helped is the divorce thread. People have been so helpful that it has been real reasuring that things go on.

Will just sit by my computer at home waiting for this weeks yuk yuk. Hope you guys and galls don't let me down!

What is the difference between a woman on PMS and a pitbull? Jewelry.

just take this...it's...the key...hahahaha

RIP Tim Leary

Is you should all just STOP the MADNESS!!! I mean come on! This has gotten more insane than Sally Struthers and the Save the Children campaign.

just as long as I don't have to watch gerbels ie Mr. Slave. (run limiwinks, run!)

Can't remember the title of the book for the meaning of life. Help a fell out?

I thought that was Monty Python.

I'm lost...maybe you mean Hitchhiker's Guide books by Douglas Adams (RIP)?

release april 29th.

Suprised I haven't heard about this?

yeah...come to think of it, I heard a promo on the radio sometime when I was catatonic on the way to work.

By the much-missed Douglas Adams.

I'm getting a bit worried about Col, though. The room next door with the nice padded walls is empty...

Actually, we might have invented them. At least we passed them on to you. What you've done with them since is ENTIRELY your own affair. I don't know who invented politicians - the Greeks? - or maybe they've just been around as long as slime...

Our politicians' motives are equally suspect. Above all, they want to get re-elected and keep the salary and influence.

Elections are not so bad over here as parties can't buy TV time and just get a bit allocated proportional to their vote. We get 15mins/day party adverts and that's it except for the TV news which is forced to be even-handed. Only the newspapers are partisan and you can buy what you want.

This one's a year early, though, as the party in power gets to say "go" - no fixed term, just a maximum of 5 years.

Blair - despite being an insufferably smug git - should walk it, simply because the opposition is possibly the worst EVER. Totally unelectable. The Tory leader is VERY strange and was elected party leader recently after being dumped by his party a few years ago. One of the leading Tories once described him as "having something of the night" about him. The Liberal leader is an alky - so they say - Scottish no-hope Ginger Tosser.

The only fun will come if one of the fringe parties gets a seat or a significant vote - right-wing (ship all the Pakis home) nationalist or "get out of Europe" party.

That's it for me until polling-day. No more political posts. Nowt else to say!

Neil :)

We have formula politicians, now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4414751.stm

is as exciting as it gets!

To get a nice quite padded room all for myself first I have to ask the Quacks for one and the simple fact of asking for one because I'm Mad shows that I know the difference so I can not be mad. :)

Even though M$ calls us all Certified Partners so even they accept that we are all crazy as well.:p

Col ]:)

Who ruled via proxy for the king/pharoh/emperor?

Thought the first politicians with a SAY in things was rome, but what do I know? Guess that is what I get for thinking, huh?

unfortunately.
Rome invented the republic I believe.
As for politics they turn up as soon as you get more than three people in a group.

Even TR has politics, but fortunately we are all amateurs.

But the Republic didn't come about until a long time after Christ and during and prior to Christ there where numerous Governors who ruled conquered provinces for the Benefit of Rome and then there was the Senate which generally speaking where more advisor's to Cesar.

However they where all Political Appointments and these people had to be politically savvy if they wanted to stay in the Senate and for that matter even alive.

Egypt had a similar thing in the courts of the Pharaohs and the same type of thing occurred in the Asian Countries where there was a Monarch/Emperor or whatever they where called at the time.

Incidental these people didn't get paid for their services but did them as a "Public Service" so they where real Politician's but by the same token they did get kickbacks for awarding contracts to do things and while this was considered as acceptable it did sought of amount to a form of payment.

Oliver Cromwell was really the first modern Politician as he actually formed the basis for what we currently know as Democracy as well as an army who where paid "Well they at least where supposed to be as some never saw a single penny for their efforts and they even had a strike at one stage."

The Roman Republic never really amounted to anything as by the time it was formed Rome was well and truly in decline and within a very short time ceased to be the dominate power. Actually thinking about it now the Same was true for the Greeks as well they had a very solid Political base and when they had power prior to the Romans they had a very stable Government most likely Rome stole that from the Greeks among other things when they conquered the Greeks.

But that is another story for a different time.

Col ]:)

she asked me to convey to you her charge that you should continue with the exemplary work that you have undertaken, and that she pledges any and all support such as may be needed.

Mousebert.

I thought you said "erections."

High proability of incoming dwdino, from "The Evolution Lie."

speaking with a stiff lower lip.

Perhaps I'm devolving?

We'll just forget Scientific Fact and go with what we want to believe and "She'll be Right Mate" will get us everywhere without a problem. ;)

But if I remember the books right even Douglas Adams claimed that the solution to the Question of Life The Universe and Everything would take several billion years to answer on the super organic computer that the White Mice built. :D

Col ]:)

Calm down, Neil. The fault's not yours. It's Col's, and I happen to know he's on his way to Melbourne and we've arranged to meet when he gets here. So I'll rend him limb from limb when he does, or tear shreds off him, whatever you like, and you can rest easy.

I mean, fancy saying the creators of the universe have FEET!! How sloppy can you get? Col, if you're listening somewhere, please remember it's "paws" next time. For G*d's sake, don't insult them by saying they have bloody feet!!

Thanks, deepsand, for calming things down a bit with your very well intentioned words to the Queen Mouse. I hope it goes at least some way to cleaning up any damage Col may have done with his senseless remark about f**t.

Okay, I'm off now to have a peep at the EL and see if I can figure out what's gone wrong there. It should have been strangled at birth! Anyway, I won't touch -- I already promised Neil that -- I'll just look. Wouldn't it be wonderful if all it took was pressing the delete button??

Be back later, guys!

Gret

And I've just broken the solemn vow to the White Mice and I've replied!

That thread will take over the world, yet!

Neil :D

EL is deserving of more attention.

As things now stand, that thread about a Texas cowboy has garnered more posts.

This is sacrilege most foul, and the Queen Mouse is not amused.

As noted above, She has observed that the thread about that Texas cowboy has more posts than does EL, and has decided to take matters into Her own paws.

And to think I was about to curl up in a foetal position and hibernate for the winter, just to avoid the shame of what I've done! Oy vey!

Now I'll be able to hold my head up again, and even smile tremulously at the Queen Mouse!

Gee, thanks, deepsand

Gret

See you at EL.

Okay then; Race you!

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Creationism doesn't have to prove or disprove anything, this is true.

Creationism couldn't if it wanted to do so prove or disprove anything, this is also true. This is because creationism is a myth, invented by one or more primitives who had just recently acquired speech, and makes no testable references to the real, objectively knowable world. As such, it is scientifically irrelevant because it can only be perceived within the imagination of the faithful, who disagree even amongst themselves about its "true meaning".

Whether creationism has been around as long as documentation goes back depends what you mean by documentation. The oldest human fossil remains so far discovered are at least several hundred times older than the origin of the Hebrew culture, which to me is documentation that the human species drastically predates the Hebrew myth of creationism. But assuming you mean "documentation" recorded by human, then rather than supporting the validity of the creation myth, creationism's age suggests that it was devised as an insufficient explanation of simple qustions that naturally curious primitive homo sapiens would certainly have asked, but lacked the information and intellectual competence to answer correctly. It didn't kill them because questions about their present context were crucial to their survival, not questions about their origins. Nevertheless, the ancient Hebrews, like the Christists that followed them, were incorrect.

Science should never bother to disprove creationism any more than it should bother to disprove Harry Potter, Homer's Odyssey, or Star Wars. Novels, whatever their age, are all allegorical to reality, and may say something important about the authors' personalities or even human character in general, but never about the physical structure or development of the cosmos. That is exclusively the purview of science.

To not believe that we are here for a reason, to believe in being nothing more than a accident (sic), and that everything you are will be gone when you die, is not a logical consequence of evolutionary theory. Confidence in my own mind and my ability to deal with the world rationally and efficaciously are results of my allegiance to fact, aka honesty. As a result of believing evolution specifically, I am proud of my fitness to survive, and especially of the single trait that allowed my distant ancestors to survive among lions, tigers, bears and other ferocious predators without the speed of a gazelle or the thick hide of a rhinocerous: my intelligence. That ability now enables me to see through the facade of the final remaining threat to the human species: atavism. In Don Quixote, the myth of Atlantis, and surely many other fairy tales in a variety of cultures, there is an unexplained "nostalgia" for better days, although what historically preceded was essentially deeper primitivism and more danger. What the authors really mean is that in their own personal childhoods, survial was provided to them by their parents without any effort on their own parts. As adults, we must work to satisfy our self-interest as individuals, with no right or claim to the effort of any other person. For people of sub-normal intelligence, this is probably frightening. Every religious impulse is a simplistic, emotional but irrational desire to have the same ease in adulthood as in childhood, provided by a superior being. That is the universal source of the god hypothesis, and the explanation for its global similarities, despite the variety of names and superficial characteristics.

It is the statistical over-representation in modern society of thoughtless mystics that makes me lonely, not my beliefs that A is A and that reality is comprehensible. My ancestors should never have taught yours how to harness fire.

That takes all the fun out of it and without any fun life isn't worth living. ;)

Anyway Gret my suggestion about feet was totally correct as that is exactly what they do have if they where just paws how could they wear the army boots that they put on when they stomp all over your roof at night? :)

Paws imply that they are light on their feet where as feet imply that they can do as they like and do exactly that. :D

Col ]:)

I never understood that one... I mean, they never tell you exactly HOW to behave, just say that you MUST behave... but if I'm behaving BADLY, aren't I still BEHAVING?

yeah...TOEFL exams are given to foreign student candidates inbound to the USA like I can get a glass of water.

I knew a Chinese guy who took it 7 times within a year and finally passed. Dude would show me words in his Chinese to English dictionary because he couldn't pronounce half of them.

I mean, it's one thing if you're forced...but if you're planning on going to another country, you'd at least learn to speak the most common parts of the language. I for one know I learned how to say common stuff in Gaelic, even tho I went nowhere near the Gaelic-speaking part of Ireland. It was just proper courtesy and preparation.

Maybe we need a link to babelfish on here.

don't watch.

Gret and I are both consenting adults. And, we consent to your watching, or not, as it pleases you.