The Evolution Truth

Never say never.

Dawg ]:)

because he displays no evidence that he does. At this point I'm getting ready to push off for a long weekend of gunkholing Lake Champlain and won't be putting in any appearance till the 24th. Next to that, ippirate holds little of significance and absolutely no consequence. He'll hold till then, if I choose to pursue this further. At present a pleasant weekend is foremost in my thoughts and the trivialities of ippirate and MrMiami don't measure up. EL has descended into boredom and inanity. Why bother???

Dawg ]:)

If I remember correctly the Liver Donor scene was in the same movie as well. ;)

Now go wash your mouth out with soapy water as punishment. As far as that skit went is is about right you are a Catholic since your father came and never forget it! :D

If you feel the ground moving slightly under your feet or hear a dull thumping of millions of tiny paws you'll know that my White Mice are coming to pay you a visit for this Sacrilege. :)

Col ]:)

My father was not a Catholic, he just banged a Catholic.

If one of the parties involved is a Catholic the resulting offspring is considered by the Catholic Church at least a Catholic from the moment of conception. So if anything you are more a Catholic by having a mother as a Catholic than a Father a Catholic and the mother or a different religion. ;)

So the Monthy Python Crew did get it right when they claimed that you where a Catholic from the moment that your father came. :D

Col ]:)

I thought I was replying to deepsand's curiosity about the "God gene", but I guess I was walking into a Python skit?

one or more which confer the trait(s) of being submissive to authority and/or more readily accepting of statements made by those in authority.

And since this seems to be the thread of the white mice anyway, and not much of a discussion of evolution, I have another unrelated question. Inspired by the mouse piano of the Flying Circus skit I just watched, just how many white mice are responsible for the search for the question to which the answer is 42 in Hitchiker's Guide?

But you may see millions of aspects of them when you go looking. :D

Col ]:)

I don't so much care about MrMiami's opinion as I wanted to tease him. I don't know exactly why you're so brutal to ippirate, but whoever pointed out that he can express himself like a reasonable was pretty accurate. He does still believe all that god stuff, though, leaving me at a bit of a loss...

I seem to recall seeing 4 present on the table in the TV series.

They can be perceived in different aspects like dare I say it in the Christian faith they have the God as father, the son, and the wholly ghost all being different aspects of the same being.

Well in this case while there where 4 white mice on the table they where in fact different aspects of the same being as the experiment while being "Super Important" to the White Mice couldn't be allowed to be constantly tied up in Red Tape with constant committee discussions and the like once it was started it was under the control of just one of these beings who monitored the progress of the entire event.

But this being did appear in different aspects to those it was monitoring to avoid arising suspicion.

Col ]:)

I watched the movie late last week. It was interesting I will say that. I will have to take the time to read the books as I have been neglecting my brain lately. :)

As for LOTR, I pretty much left school at the age of 13 or 14 (to chase girls and cause fights), so though I did read the Hobbit, I never read the LOTR trilogy.

Anyway, all I can say is 'Hooray for Captain Spalding!' :)

This is all getting a bit meta-physical.

We should take care, lest we be accused of advancing yet one more unprovable faith, and be cast into the same lot as ippirate & MrMiami.

I didn't do it mommy really I didn't do it. :D

I wouldn't want to be placed in that bunch but as we are constantly laughing at what we are posting I don't think it will happen toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo soon. :p

Col ]:)

good one.

And thus I perceive no danger of you being classified with Mr Miami or IPpirate.

If we move quickly, we can still cover our trail.

Firstly, we need to ...

Hold on a minute; it's after 22:00, and some fool's banging on my door. Uh, oh, I can see red lights flashing through my windows too.

Gotta go; they're onto me. It's down the rabbit hole.

Col, get out of there now, while there's still tim

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Too late for your friend, Col; you're next.

Have a good life, short as that may be.

It's annoying that my handle got changed on all my posts. I didn't think about the database at all, so I assumed that the pages would behave like a simple document unless edited. Now all the "Absolutely" jokes look like nonsense...except that one above. :)

The Thought Police are here to reeducate me to think along much more acceptable lines.

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Woe is me I'm headed for the reeducation center again! :(

I keep getting my memory erased so I can not remember each incident that I am getting reeducated for I wonder what religion I'll come out this time. ;)

But after all the times that the Thought Police insist that they have had to reeducate me I would have thought that they would have got it right by now. :D

But I'll be away soon as they are just now cutting away the chain that holds me to this desk. :)

Col ]:)

As those Spiritualists who believe in re-incarnation will tell you, in each incarnation you have the free will so as choose whether or not to demonstrate what you've learned between mortal lives & are willing to act accordingly.

Nirvana in this life time and the Dali Lama didn't say anything about the Though Polices Reeducation centers being between lives. :p

I guess that I'm just going to muddle through as best I can while still laughing at most things that far too many people take seriously. ;)

Col ]:)

Just remember, Life is a game that no one gets out of alive.

That Life was a Sexually Transmitted Disease with and Extremely Bad Prognosis. :p

I just love telling that the the shrinks that I used to run across and see the look of horror on their faces when after they shoot me down in flames I say "Well it's not my idea Carl Jung said it!" :D

Col ]:)

I'm generally terrible at remembering things like jokes & cool adages, definitions, etc..

But, this is one that I'm definitely going to work real hard at retaining, even if it kills me before my time; which, on second thought, might have already passed.

Col! Col! Something dreadful has happened! I haven't visited TR for about a week, and when I come back, I find NO MORE POSTS ON THE EVOLUTION TRUTH!!

What's going on? This is terrible! I can't believe it? How am I to become a TR junkie when no-one posts? How can I answer nothing? Who can I abuse if no-one's there?

This is worse than awful! I must have been spaghettified during my absence afterall! Ah, woe, woe! The end of the world must be nigh! What other answer can there possibly be?

I shall mourn the loss in singular (singularity??) seclusion.

You could drop in on the one about the Corby case it seems to be getting a bit heated and spread your infinite knowledge around a bit there. I think it is called "Aussie Woman A Pot Dealer!"

Anyway as your an Aussie and a woman you must be a pot dealer by definition. Incidentally what is happening to the Wifes Star Chart? :D

Or horror of horrors you could drop into that "Green Festering Monster" called EL as it seems to still be going strong. It would be a good test for your computer after it has been rebirthed to see if it can handle the corrupted data that is being pushed there. ;)

Col ]:)

Don't let mean nasty Colin or that Jessie girl send me to my room or ban me from my computer any more! It's a trifle annoying, so if you can keep them in line, I will stop mollifying the Creationists when deepsand and sleeping dawg infuriate them with logic. I predict they will tire of one another shortly, as they did before I came from nowhere to stir the pot, and your truth thread will soon be vibrant and flourishing again, I'm sure.

Also, I was very impressed with your recent posts on The EL Thread, but I don't know what to say except "wow", and I may as well say that here.

:)

Dawg, Sand, quit teasing pirate and be good boys.

Oh, there's one last favor I'd like to ask: could we keep the HHGG rubbish to a minimum?

You're going straight to the Sin Bin.

Buried deep within EL, apparently during the period that you were incommunicado, is a question that I posed re. your writing career.

If think it's the one at
[v]https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=165453&messageID=1759193[/v].

If you've the time, and are so inclined, perhaps you might have a look at it.

I thought that would get your attention. Now, please stop teasing the Christians, you're only provoking them. Like Gret said, they'll eventually bore of their own tired dogmas just as you and I have. Leave them to it, and they'll have fewer fits of self-righteous indignation to justify their faith.

I know, I'm really one to talk, huh? Well, Gret wants her friends back over here, so I promised I'd try to lure you and Mr. Dawg back away from the other E*******n thread.

Ta!

I tried to distract myself with multiplication tables and other more interesting topics when I was instructed to learn the Word of doG, but I'm pretty sure there was only one antichrist expected. Gret, I guess this isn't OT, but how many antichrist's does the Big Book predict?

Christians are not the only ones to attract my critical eye.

Now where are we going to get more Christians to toss on the barby???

Dawg ]:)

Very good, Col! You've already said it all for me, so I don't have to do it myself! And it's exactly right, too! Thanks.

G

Heavens, guys, I never meant to become a s**t stirrer! (as my late lamented would have so delicately put it).

I've already been to EL and offered my tuppence worth. Then I got sick of it, so went to the very end and told ippirate and Mr Miami to shut up unless they could find something new to say. Their argument's gone round in circles for long enough, and since they appear to know nothing of logic and reasoning, I'd say enough really is enough!

To deepsand: My writing career. I've been writing most of my life, but mainly as a hobby. My first piece was published when I was in Grade 5 at school in a European magazine (can't remember the name) for children orphaned by the war (this is back in the 50s, when there were still quite a lot of them round) at a place called Pezzalozzi Children's Village run by the UN. More than that I can't really remember.

I've had other things published from time to time over the years, mostly in magazines and anthologies, but never any novels. They are mostly SF and I write them for myself. My late hubby always encouraged me, and when he was still alive, I wrote them for him as well. I still get things published now and again.

Officially, I'm retired from full-time work, as I'm already 60 (and loving it), but I still teach Astronomy and Cosmology, as well as Archaeology and History in a voluntary capacity when asked.

I also teach elderly people the very basics of the computer, like, how to turn it on, and why you have to click on "start" to close it! It's a lot of fun, and I really enjoy myself, because there's no more pressure, which was what it was like pre-retirement.

Other interests: Sussing out the myths and legends in the Bible, painting, and music (I'm heavily into opera, as both my parents were opera singers way back when, and ballet, as my late lamented was a ballet dancer before becoming an astronomer).

As to that, I was married for 25 years and have been a widow since 1992. I love life and I love my life as it's become. Now you know all about me!

To: Absolutely. Steady on there about the Sacred Books! Blasphemy! The Mouse Queen will not take kindly to any defamation, you know.

Now I'm off to EL again to see if ippirate and Mr Miami have choked one another yet.

G

PS: I'll look in on that Schapelle Corby discussion too, Col.

:D

at "INFORMATION AS FOUNDATION." (He insists on shouting.)

It's at
[v]https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=169734&start=0[/v].

See you there.

[i]"Even most of the NT was been rewritten over the years to make it easier for the lay person to understand."[/i]

H*ll, most of them don't even understand DOS, let alone NT!

The oldest known extant text of that Gospel says simply that [i]"Mary was a young woman of marrying age."[/i]

It was altered in subsequent translation so as to comform to Church doctrine.

I was acknowledging her status as the most expert person on the topic, while apologizing for asking her to consider the New Testament (they sure don't make Testaments like they used to!)

Most of what you said there went way over my head, but I do vaguely recall that phrases "hocus-pocus", "mumbo-jumbo", and perhaps even "bibbity-bobbity-boo" originate with peasants who were not even able to understand the lies being told to them in Latin, in the old days of the Catholic Church.

To me it's all quite beyond belief. And how can a "fundamentalist" who knows what that word means "interpret" the Bible according to anything but the original author's exact, literal meaning? Strictly rhetorical, now I'm going to see if I can tease MrMiami some more...

impression that his mother and father were first cousins????

Dawg ]:)

[He/She/They/It] claim[s] [https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=175143&messageID=1780236] that I DO NOT argue against ippirate. I am insulted. Please advise the white mice of this unholy blasphemer.

Wazzat?

Omigosh! I just flipped over to Mr Miami's "new" thread, out of curiosity, of course! I had a good chuckle at what everyone else was saying, but I think it's a losing battle guys. Mr Miami is, after all, an imb**ile and a w**ker, with no notion of logic or reasoning. Why bash your heads against the proverbial?

Anyway, what's all the shouting about? Does he think we're all deaf, or is it some kind of effort to make himself heard above rationality? I can't stand all that screeching!

And what the hell is "information as foundation"? As foundation of or for what? If this thread is going to turn out anything like EL because of an inability on the part of a certain person to articulate reasonably and with logic, then I'm not going near it! (Until the next time, of course!)

I just find you can't argue with Mr Miami; that is, you can't argue on a basis of equality, because he is totally unable to argue at any level we do, so it's a losing battle already.

Nevertheless, just for the fun of it, I'll think about going back (yes, you all know very well I will; I'm a sucker for that kind of thing, just as you all are), but I can't see too much coming out of this thread other than a recap of the EL thread.

Rather than end up rationally discussing the issue at hand (er, if there is one this time), it'll end up with us all simply trying to make Mr Miami adhere to our rules of debate, and we already know he's incapable of that.

Oh well, I know I'll be sorry for doing this, but OK, I'll come and join you all. (What have I done, oy vey, what have I done?)

G

so much as pelting him with small pieces of reason! It's not very sporting I admit, but neither are a lot of the teachings of his chosen belief, and it is amusing now that I've altogether abandoned any expectation that he will consider a rational view.

:D

If I join this thread and disavow any more use of the EL thread, does this mean I get a free beer if I come to visit? ]:)

My goodness...My Guinness!! :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4566319.stm

That part of my brain gets me into so much trouble!

See you in the pub, 6:05 February 2006! Mine's a Beck's.

It's a very large [i]ram[/i] goat, traditionally named Billy.

The use of the word "butt" in my post had a double meaning; "ass" and being "butted" by the goat.

But, it is ever so much fun to keep spinning them in circles until they get dizzy and fall down.

I right now have 5 days planned in Ireland, which involves celebrating my friend's birthday with he and his wife.

Then, I'll fly into Southampton to go see my friend in Portsmouth, then rail the next day to the Birmingham area to see a few friends there, then up to Newcastle to visit with a friend for a few days (and my own birthday...I hear Hen Holiday is something else there).

Then to Scotland for a few days to visit other friends around Aberdeen, Edinburgh, and Glasgow, then back to Dublin to fly home a couple days later.

Probably be my last big trip over there for a while, unless I meet a girl who thinks I'm not swill.

Next trip after that though is Australia in 2007. Going to see friends near Syndey, Adelaide and Perth. I'd like to go to see Uluru though. We'll see what happens with that.

gotta work now...making final polishes before I head out of town for a wedding. cheers!

My dear father always used to tell me that there was no such thing as a "Good Girl" there are only "BAD GIRLS and those Better [at being BAD.]" :p

Now it's up to you to decide which one of those categories that Gret falls into I've meet her and I know but I've been sworn to secrecy. :D

Col ]:)

Well I certainly hope that the Alcohol Induced Dizzy Spells don't get too bad for you but you do deserve to suffer them as you drank the stuff to start off with.

But the AU trip will be a big one and Eyre's Rock is so far out of your way even flying which you would have to do is a very big detour as you would have to catch a plane to Darwin then a light aircraft to The Alice {you can see the light aircraft they sought of look like a VW with wings} and then a few hours drive to the rock which the owners request you do not climb so you can stand about a mile away in the lounge of the 5 star hotel getting plastered and have a good look. :p

Now Sydney is a real rat race I spent a month there one hour a few months ago, Melbourne is a great place to live or so the inhabitants tell you but no one believes them, Adelaide was a great place for the F1 but the drivers keep falling asleep seeing the sights and that was on the track and Perth is so far away no one really cares about it. ;)

But to see all those places you would be spending more time in the air than actually on the ground. I've driven/ridden the Adelaide Perth road a few times now and each time I swore it would never happen again and the last time it really was as I packed the bike onto a rail car and transported it back and flew home. But I'll drive it again if one of the kids gets them self or their partner pregnant but I will not be in a hurry then as I'll be in the mobile home towing a Mercedes and the Ducati and I'll have slipped the Sim cards out of the phones and have replaced them with some prepaid ones so I'm unreachable for about 25 years. I reckon in that time I could just about see all in AU that is worth seeing without running into any relatives. :D

Col ]:)

Well...I won't be taking car or rail while there, except for trips to and from the airport and about to the shops to get things.

One friend and her family live near Sydney...about 90 mins away.

Another friend and her family live south of Adelaide down on the coastal beaches.

My other friend just moved to Perth with her family (her hubby does work all over the country).

So, I will be doing the Qantas airpass thing (if they offer it again then. Plus since it will be the "cold" season when I come, I'm hoping the rates will be as good, i.e.- right now, Qantas is offering roundtrip plus 3 in country flights for $999. Last time I priced my own flights and doing my own transfers through LAX was $1200+.

So, I'm hoping to be down there for about 8 or 9 days. If so, I will let you know when to expect Guinness prices to go up because of down supplies ;)

have a good weekend...cheers!

Remember that the Corby girl flew Qantas.

Whenever possible I do try to avoid them because they have a really terrible service. The last time I flew back into AU my suit case looked as if it had been through a meat grinder no locks no sides no handles and some of the biggest cable ties I've ever seen holding it shut.

Of course since the Federal Government has merged Try Another Airline {TAA} and Qantas things have got worse.

But as yet they haven't lost an aircraft thought I think it will now only be a matter of time before one crashes as most of their service work is being outsourced while they do the service work for all the competition. I suppose there is some sought of logic in that but I'm dammed if I can see it.

The last time I flew Qantas was to my brothers funeral in Canberra and it was only because they had the available flights but the funny thing was that the hypos that I carried where not a problem but my tie pin was. Now try to make sense out of that. :)

Col ]:)

I never discriminate on the basis of color or nationality.

is two days before my birthday so I will be up for beer.

Neil :D

Not to mention the military.

At least the elements are in correct rank order, DDMMYY, as opposed to MMDDYY.

DDMMYY & YYMMDD are easily sorted; not so with MMDDYY.

a gentleman never tells.

I may not have been the ideal Officer, but I've always tried to be the very best Gentleman.

Perhaps if we use the colors that appear in his avatar, ...

We're both wrong, really. The Japanese do YYYYMMDD which make prrogramming dates so easy.

The first and only widely understood US-style date over here is 911.

The Japanese have it right. Let's all do our dates the astronomical way -- 2006 February 21 15:45:10.

By the way, Col, February's in the middle of summer for us, don't forget. And around the 21st, or thereabouts, is usually when we get those awful 40 degree days!

G

to reason. I perceive no promise in decoding him, nor of finding anything of value in his flights of fancy. However, I believe I would like to test his electrical resistance.

:D

I intend to leave him with Black Panther about the subject of nothing and its Ness, agreeing for as long as they care to exchange trivialities. I hope Neil doesn't get too agitated by their gibberish. BP recently posted some nonsense about near death experiences that really seems to have enraged Neil. I empathize, I felt the same about the "Existence Without a Void" garbage when I saw it...

Will you recommend a reference on the subject of solar system astronomy? I'd like it to have information like basic (hypthesized, where applicable) composition data, masses, orbital radii, that sort of thing. I'm not sure whether an introductory textbook or a desk reference would be better. I might have to get one of each.

Does CRC press make an astronomy reference? What I want is basically like the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, but for astronomy. I wouldn't mind finding the data I need in a thorough appendix in a good textbook. In light of your recent post on EL about leaving good ideas lying around, I won't go into detail as to why I want this book.

;)

Omigosh, Absolutely, there's a LoC sized heap of books about Astronomy, with and without the SS.

My own personal favourite is "Astronomy: A Self-Teaching Guide" by Dinah L. Moche, PhD, Associate Professor, Department of Physics, Queensborough Community College of the City University of New York.

It includes star maps by George Lovi of the Vanderbilt Planetarium and was first published in 1978 by John Wiley & Sons, Inc. NY, etc. The ISBN is 0-471-01764-7 and it's part of the Wiley self-teaching guides series.

Mine's fairly close to a first edition, as I used it from 1982 for the first three years I studied astronomy and cosmology after I went back to uni., it being the major text reference for Basic Astronomy, Practical Astronomy and Archaeo-Astronomy, which I later majored in.

There's a test at the end of each chapter, and in addition to five chapters on the SS -- Understanding the SS; The Planets; The Moon, The Sun, and Comets, Meteors and Meteorites, there's everything else you need to know about astronomy as well, plus a list of references, etc.

When I did my fourth year of astronomy, I had other text-books, and when I find them, I'll let you know those too. In the meantime, the Moche (it's got an accent over the "e", so I guess it's "Mo-shay") should give you all you ever wanted to know about astronomy and were too afraid to ask!!

Enjoy!

G

LoC?

a wirewound or just an old fashioned compressed carbon.

Either way, since he seems to presently be in one of his narcoleptic trances, it's nice to have BP to play with. Break out the tin foil hats.

Celsius or Centigrade?

But that is only where she lives. It is really a strange place as you have all four seasons every day down there. Only city I've ever been in where you see the locals caring suitcases so they can change as the weather requires from light summer clothing to skiing gear.

Of course the skies on the roof racks of all the cars in the middle of our summer is a bit of a give away and the fact that all the taxi's in her neck of the woods permanently have chains on their wheels to break up the ice, not to mention the trams all of which have been redesigned to be "Ground Effect" vehicles mainly for 2 reasons one to break up the ice on the tracks and the second reason is so that they do not slip off the tracks as the temp swings from 40 K to 40 C during the day. :D

Up here in Brisbane it is more like low 30's C or high 20 's C that time of the year throughly nice really. But Melbourne has to be seen to be believed and even then most sensible people do not believe what they are seeing. :p

Col ]:)

NT

Think you may have forgotten Fahrenheit, which I think is what you meant, Boone, n'est pas?

We used to have Fahrenheit here a long time ago, in which case 40's next to freezing. Now it's next to melting!

To Absolutely: You can ask, but I'm not answering -- yet awhile! What astronomers do at night is still their own business!!

To Col: The chains on the taxi wheels are to keep the rubber from sticking to the melting bitumen when it's 40C, not the snow when it's 40F!

I already know the answer to what astronomers do at night, it's the same as what physicists do at the lab: what they enjoy!

:D

I was being facetious; there is a [i]very[/i] subtle difference between the two.

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Celsius:

relating to, conforming to, or having the international thermometric scale on which the interval between the triple point of water and the boiling point of water is divided into 99.99 degrees with 0.01? representing the triple point and 100? the boiling point

Centigrade:

relating to, conforming to, or having a thermometric scale on which the interval between the freezing point of water and the boiling point of water is divided into 100 degrees with 0? representing the freezing point and 100? the boiling point

Oops, hadn't caught up with this post, Absolutely. Sorry.

The "manna" that arrived so punctually every day during the Israelite wanderings is now believed by some scientists to be associated with the recent eruption of Thera (Santorini) just north of Crete in about 1450 BCE.

The so-called "parting of the Sea of Reeds" was also ascribed to this volcanic phenomenon, probably one of the biggest eruptions in history.

But I've no idea exactly what the manna was or what other scientists think it may have been. According to the Biblical account, it tasted like whatever you wanted it to, which I find a little too unbelievable!

All I can say is, starved of their Egyptian cuisine for so long, this "tasting like whatever you wanted it to" was a psychological reaction to their state of mind.

Hope this answers your question, Absolutely, even if it is a bit late! The Bible, in my opinion, can quite easily be explained in perfectly ordinary, day to day terms. There's positively nothing "supernatural" about it at all.

G