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The Data are Clear - - We MUST act NOW

By maxwell edison ·
Over the past ~140 years (the same period of time the global warming zealots, I mean activists, have mentioned), over which fossil fuels have been burned, thereby causing the proven 1 degree rise in the earth's temperature (not including the 1 degree margin of error, of course), resulting in the planet destroying phenomenon we know as global warming, cities have sprung up, not only in the United States, but all over the globe, that have used almost exclusively concrete and steel, two materials that absorb heat at very impressive rates. A new scientific and engineering study will debunk that myth, and suggest instead that global warming is not caused by the burning of fossil fuels, but rather the overuse of common construction materials, particularly concrete. And "big concrete", one of the biggest industries in the United States, has actually taken steps to keep this astonishing study from being made public. In fact, I am being silenced as we speak!

This scientific and engineering study, undertaken by scientists and engineers working under a 4 billion dollar grant from the federal government (but needing more, much more), has provided conclusive and commonly accepted data that has clearly shown the thermal conductive properties of concrete generate 12 BTUs of heat, per hour, per square foot/inch thick slab of concrete; the thermal conductive properties of steel are 325 BTUs per hour; and the thermal conductive properties of aluminum are an astounding 1500 BTUs per hour. When used in construction, these materials act as global heat-sinks, dispersing an unprecedented amount of heat energy into the atmosphere. And its impact on the fragile atmosphere, which was designed (by nothing or nobody, by the way) to absorb ONLY the heat entering the atmosphere as generated by the sun, not the reverse flow caused by these man made heat-sinks, and generated by greedy, selfish, and disgusting human beings.

During the daylight hours, WHEN THE SUN IS SHINING, these materials, world wide, absorb hundreds of trillions of BTUs of heat, which is energy that would have otherwise gone unused and unradiated. At night, when the temperature of the earth drops significantly, the properties of those materials start releasing all that absorbed heat. Engineering studies that used infrared sensors have actually documented this heat release, and have proven conclusively that heat from these materials radiates upwards into the atmosphere, thereby causing an increase in the overall atmospheric temperature. Culminated over decades upon decades of abuse and overuse, the damage is obvious. In fact, in 10 more years, the heat generated will have caused irreversible damage. We must act now. The future of the planet is at stake!

Consider this. In the United States alone, the Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways, otherwise known as the Interstate Highway System, has over 46,000 miles of paved surface; and considering the construction dimensions of the average slab of Interstate Highway, one can estimate that over 685 BILLION square feet/inch thick of concrete is absorbing heat every day. (And that doesn't even consider the millions of tons of STEEL wire mesh embedded into the concrete.) At 12 BTUs per hour, per square foot/inch thick slab of concrete, one can conservatively document that the Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways, otherwise known as the Interstate Highway System, alone releases 8.2 TRILLION BTUs (685 billion Sq. Ft. times 12 BTU) of heat each and every night, after the sun goes down. This is heat energy that, before the construction of the Interstate Highway System, would never have been captured, and would never have subsequently been released into our fragile atmosphere.

And that's just the Interstate Highway system in the United States. Let's calculate all the other highways in the world, AND all that steel and aluminum used in those massive buildings in hundreds of cities all over the world, but particularly the United States, of course. (Oh no, let's not; my scientific calculator is misplaced at the moment.) Suffice it to say, however, that hundreds, if not thousands of trillions of BTUs of heat, released by concrete and steel every day, are clearly the cause for the 1 degree rise in average global temperature over the past 140 years (not including the 1 degree margin of error, of course). This is heat energy that was not absorbed and subsequently released ~140 years ago, but it is today. The data is clear. Please try to prove these data calculations -- BASED ON FACTS -- wrong, or admit to the obvious conclusion.

I propose the following: I, Maxwell Edison, call to order a meeting of government and heating engineers around the world, to meet in Desoto, Kansas to discuss what the world must to do prevent this heat-loss from our highways and cities from heating the atmosphere, thereby causing global warming. The temperature has, after all, increased 1 degree (not including the 1 degree margin of error, of course), and this heat-loss from the construction materials is the cause, as commonly agreed upon by reputable scientists and engineers. I suggest that we write a treaty that all industrialized nations of the world will sign, to not only stop, but to reverse this heating trend. We will call it the Desoto Treaty, or perhaps even the Toto Treaty in case people don't understand that Desoto really is a town in Kansas.

The treaty will outline the obvious solution. We must implement an immediate moratorium on all new construction, whether that be roads or buildings, which uses concrete, steel, or aluminum. Moreover, we must force all these industrialized nations of the world to replace all those building materials currently in use with more environmentally friendly materials. We should further call upon the leaders of these nations, especially the President of the United States, to provide funding for research and development of new technology for these environmentally friendly building materials, and phase out the use of ALL current materials. The United States is, after all, the biggest abuser -- all those highways and skyscrapers; it's consumption, construction, and overbuilding run amok, if you ask me. Of course, to avoid becoming a burden on less affluent nations, we can devise a scheme, I mean a plan, to trade construction material credits. But those details, of course, can be worked out by our good-intentioned friends at the United Nations.

Okay, why am I posting this message? Well, I have one question. What sounds better, the Desoto Treaty or the Toto Treaty?

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This message was edited ONLY to make Neil happy. Neil, you're welcome.

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Right on! Down with environmentally unfriendly civilization.

by Dr Dij In reply to The Data are Clear - - We ...

In the future, all civilization will be reduced to 'virtual people', and we'll all be uploaded to stasis pods, while our minds are free to roam the virtual universe. We can choose one of our own to be the 'keeper' aka Stargate episode, or choose the insect-like AI's of the Matrix.

Advantages: Max can have his virtual-reality filter out the actual reality of rampaging heat stimulated weather, and instead have a peaceful tranquil place where there are beautiful flowers and only a few gentle rains to keep them healthy.

Industrial pollutants will be filtered out, and the bodies in pods won't be fed pollution tainted fish (if there are any left in the real world after carbonic acid melts the diatoms and coral reefs).

And of course the 'real world' and 'liberal media', which is anything Max doesn't agree with, will also happily disappear in this virtual world!

Our only other alternative would be to go back to the stone ages, (or perhaps "the good 'ole days"). Everyone will be much happier walking to work 9 miles every day (uphill both ways). Hey, steak dinners were only 10cents! Never mind that the gov't has inflated the money supply something like 40 times over since then..

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How about the Tar Treaty due to the asphalt

by Deadly Ernest In reply to The Data are Clear - - We ...

road surface that is mostly made up of tar.

Two points re global warming that the people blaming humans always gloss over.

1. One major volcanic eruption like Mt St Helens puts more carbon and green house gasses into the atmosphere than humand have in over two hundred years.

2. About 230 years ago a major volcanic eruption in Indonesia created a huge cloud of ash etc that circled the globe for over a year. The long term result of this cloud was that the average global temperature dropped by about 2.5 degrees. We have not yet returned to the average global temperature that existed prior to that eruption.

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Tar and Asphalt - absolutely should be included

by maxwell edison In reply to How about the Tar Treaty ...

Perhaps you can write that section of the Desoto Treaty (or Toto Treaty, whichever one we decide to use) that covers the use of new asphalt -- AND the destruction of all existing asphalt, of course. I'll have to do the calculations, but my guess is that the BTUs per hour radiated by asphalt is even more than concrete. I'll get back to you on that. You'll need the data for that particular section of the treaty.

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Sorry I'm late.

by Absolutely In reply to Tar and Asphalt - absolut ...

Water is the problem. Ban water.

Ernest's volcano claims are interesting. Cite sources?

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I speak for myself

by maxwell edison In reply to Sorry I'm late.

You wanted data, I gave you data. Go ahead; have at it.

Although I agree with Earnest's claims, as I've read about those things myself, he said it, so I'll assume you were asking him to cite the source. And when he does, perhaps you'll concede the point.

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I know you do!

by Absolutely In reply to I speak for myself

Thanks for the data.

If I took you seriously, my method would be to compare the thermal properties of the most-used alloys in construction to their common geological sources: aluminum alloy and bauxite, iron ore and steel, you get the picture. What I would find is that materials with low specific heat have only been moved to a few locations, called "cities". Combustion releases bound carbon and oxygen as carbon dioxide and is a fundamentally different phenomenon. I know you don't take this asphalt/cement/metal in cities thread seriously, and I'm beginning to wonder if you even take your "self" seriously.

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Well then do it, Mr. Know-It-All

by maxwell edison In reply to I know you do!

Go ahead. "Compare", as you said, "the thermal properties of the most-used alloys in construction to their common geological sources."

Go ahead, Mr. Know-It-All. Go ahead. Prove my data wrong.

The "data" in my post is 100 percent accurate. Just like the "data" in the stupid CO2 claims might be accurate. The conclusion, however, is open for interpretation.

Go ahead, smart-***. Challenge my DATA and PROVE IT WRONG!

OR STFU.

By the way, have you noticed how many people are laughing their *** off at you?

Another "by the way". My message was brilliant satire, especially considering ALL THE DATA is 100 percent accurate. Not only was it brilliant, but it was excellently written. But an ignorant know-it-all like you couldn't possibly admit as much. (Especially considering the fact that you don't know for sure; but I do.)

Now go away from my discussion. You are not welcome.

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Neil - Same Challenge

by maxwell edison In reply to Well then do it, Mr. Know ...

Neil, I issue the same challenge to you that I issued to Mr. friggin' know-it-all, Absolutely the dum-sht. However, the difference is ...... well, the difference is painfully obvious.

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I notice more important things than that.

by Absolutely In reply to Well then do it, Mr. Know ...

"By the way, have you noticed how many people are laughing their *** off at you?"

No, the sort of person who is more interested in skillful but meaningless juxtaposition of words than in their exact meanings and relationship to reality have never been any concern of mine and never will.

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& Neil beat me to it

by Absolutely In reply to Well then do it, Mr. Know ...

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=192789&messageID=1989404

Many solids absorb visible and ultraviolet frequencies and convert them into kinetic energy of lattice vibrations, called "heat". The release of heat is defined by the emission of a lower wavelength photon in the "infrared" range. So even if we imported metals from other planets, to absorb more of the sun's rays and convert those to thermal energy, we could only retain that thermal energy with a gas that could prevent those infrared rays from escaping the atmosphere. If only I could find the absorption spectrum of CO2...

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