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  • #2265339

    Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

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    by why me worry?? ·

    I don’t claim to be a saint and yes, some of my posts and responses may be deemed as offensive, but why must the TR moderators chase after me and edit my posts? Since when did TR turn into AOL with chat room monitors kicking people off for voicing their opinions, even if those opinions aren’t politically correct? Is there some kind of socialist agenda behind TR and their dictators..err..I mean moderators in charge? If my posts are offending someone, then that someone has a choice of not reading my posts. It’s like the loudmouths who complain about “offensive” TV or radio broadcasts. Hey morons, there’s something called a remote control and tuner knob to change the station or channel if you don’t like it.

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    • #2584302

      Liberals are in every profession

      by mslamen ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      Iv’e seen some of your post while perusing TR and have never been offended. I would hope that TR would never edit ones words in the cover of political correctness.

      • #2584278

        Too late, they have edited posts in the cover of being PC

        by why me worry?? ·

        In reply to Liberals are in every profession

        I speak the truth about the H1-B epidemic and at talk about what I deem to be “cultural rudeness” on the part of the Indians, yet I get called a “racist” and “bigot”. The truth is the truth and suppressing the truth won’t change the facts.

        • #2584121

          You need to make the distinction between the [u]objective[/u] and …

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Too late, they have edited posts in the cover of being PC

          the [i]subjective[/i].

          Your statement that which you “[i]deem to be “cultural rudeness” on the part of the Indians[/i]” is, by the use of the word “deem,” clearly subjective. Apparently you seem to hold that others should conform to your cultural standards. If that is the case, then yes, by definition, you are bigoted.

          From Merriam-Webster:

          Main Entry: bigot

          : a person [b]obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices[/b]; [u]especially[/u] : [b]one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance[/b]

        • #2586521

          by that definition (off-topic)

          by neon samurai ·

          In reply to You need to make the distinction between the [u]objective[/u] and …

          We’ve got more than a few OS bigots floating around TR also. I only mention it because the definitial clarified it so well.

          As for the H1B thing that pops up; I find politics distastefull in general but fully admit I haven’t the understanding of the H1B situation required to make any comments.

        • #2586493

          Quite true.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to by that definition (off-topic)

          Most are unaware that the primary definition of bigotry is class agnostic.

          As for the H1B debate, it is necessary that one [i]always[/i] make the distinction between the companies who use such & similar visas to obtain employees & the employees who are so obtained.

          Unfortunately, too many ignore that distinction, and visit the sins of the father on the children.

      • #2584125

        Liberals? Just what the hell is that to mean?

        by deepsand ·

        In reply to Liberals are in every profession

        And, have you any evidence to even [i]suggest[/i] that TR is concerned about “political correctness?”

        • #2586429

          Liberal is a very common term

          by mslamen ·

          In reply to Liberals? Just what the hell is that to mean?

          No, I have no evidence nor am I suggesting that TR is concerned about being PC. I simply stated that “I would hope they would not resort to that”.

          I have noticed that these forums contain alot of different subjects, some of which have nothing to do with the field we all work in. I am not OK with racial slurs nor do I beleive that TR has the obligation to post any dribble we wright.

          Liberals? Just what the hell is that to mean?
          Surely you can connect that.

        • #2586242

          It is your use of “liberal” as a pejorative tht requires explanation.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Liberal is a very common term

          Surely you can understand that.

        • #2586762

          Liberalism started the “Politically Correct” movement

          by mslamen ·

          In reply to It is your use of “liberal” as a pejorative tht requires explanation.

          Deepsand-
          Do you disagree with that? I dont think that placing the word Liberals in my initial post which conatined references to (editing, Political correctness and cencorship)was that big of a stretch.

          In the future, I may reframe from conveying my political views in my psot.

        • #2586598

          Please send copies of your posts to the ministry of truth first.

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Liberalism started the “Politically Correct” movement

          This way, the ministry can remove any inappropriate words.

        • #2586553

          Ministry of truth! I did not know we had one of those.

          by mslamen ·

          In reply to Please send copies of your posts to the ministry of truth first.

          I can see in your post’s that you are one of the level headed ones in this forum.

          Till we meet again my brother

        • #2586496

          wasn’t “Liberalism” around long before the PC movement?

          by neon samurai ·

          In reply to Liberalism started the “Politically Correct” movement

          It seems that there was a liberal party long before the latest and previous up swells in PC. I’m not really concerned about your political views keeping in mind that there is no difference between a hard liberal or conservative hater. I just find it hard to believe that the Liberal party sprang forth from the politically correct movement.

          (Ah, those days of wonder when someone was a “waste reciprocal janitorial engineer” not “toilet cleaner”. At least that over-reaction is done with.)

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        • #2585391

          I’m no hater

          by mslamen ·

          In reply to wasn’t “Liberalism” around long before the PC movement?

          Very well, I will leave my views out in my responses to you.

          Conservative haters! Thats a good one.

        • #2585366

          Suggest that you review the definitions of …

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to I’m no hater

          “conservative” & “liberal.”

        • #2585203

          By my understanding of the current slang, that’s a good start.

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to I’m no hater

          But tends to be a bit vague, like the definition of ‘conservative’, which always implies a wish to ‘conserve’ something but rarely includes a prefix to indicate what. ‘Family values conservative’? ‘Free enterprise conservative’? ‘Environmental conservative’? It’s possible to attempt to conserve anything one has, making ‘conservative’ a fairly vague name. Perhaps that’s why it was chosen, when it was chosen.

          Likewise for liberal, it doesn’t specify which liberty it purports to protect, only that it asserts ‘liberty’ compared to its opponent. Not much of a claim, really, given the anti-liberty propensities of its main competitor.

        • #2586490

          Disagree strongly & emphatically.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Liberalism started the “Politically Correct” movement

          1) PC knows no exclusivity.

          2) PC pre-dates its having been so named.

          3) The term “Liberal” as here used is [b]not[/b] in accord with the correct definition of such.

        • #2585401

          Are you sure he understands?

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to It is your use of “liberal” as a pejorative tht requires explanation.

          How many people remember that ‘liberal’ and ‘liberty’ derive from the same Latin root? How fewer understand that only a subset of the agenda of today’s left wing is truly ‘liberal’, and/or that only a subset of today’s right wing is consistent with the liberties [b]guaranteed[/b] by the Constitution? In my experience, the answer to all those questions is “damn few”.

          How many are surprised by the phrase that Republicans are (on some issues, such as occasionally tax rates) more ‘liberal’ than Democrats? It’s true, but only if you consider the literal, rather than the colloquial, meaning of ‘liberal’.

        • #2585396

          I’m sure [i]now[/i] that he [u]does not[/u] understand.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Are you sure he understands?

          His above reply to me makes it clear that he neither knows the correct definitions of Liberla & Conservative, nor understands that PC is simply old wine in a new bottle.

        • #2585384

          older than politics itself, I’ll wager

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to I’m sure [i]now[/i] that he [u]does not[/u] understand.

          ‘Political Correctness’ is the modern name for a particular variety of tyranny, which I’m sure is older than organized systems of law.

          ‘Politically Correct’ is also used as a ‘straw man’ to falsely impugn many legitimate claims for civil rights.

        • #2585363

          Ancient words come to mind.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to older than politics itself, I’ll wager

          “Blasphemy,” “traitor” and “infidel” still enjoy strong popular support.

        • #2585346

          So many words for transgressions against arbitrary collective power

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Ancient words come to mind.

          And not one comparable epithet for those who infringe on the liberty of individuals. (‘Tyrant’ applies only to those with formal, recognized political power, though infringement on personal liberty is hardly the exclusive pastime of tyrants.)

          How sad.

        • #2585325

          Actually, “tyrant” serves quite well.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to So many words for transgressions against arbitrary collective power

          The presence of a formal or recognized authority is not requisite for being a tyrant.

          Main Entry: tyrant

          Function: noun

          Etymology: Middle English tyraunt, from Anglo-French tyran, tyrant, from Latin tyrannus, from Greek tyrannos

          [b]1 a :[/b] an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution [b]b :[/b] [u]a usurper of sovereignty[/u]
          [b]2 a :[/b] a ruler who exercises absolute power oppressively or brutally [b]b :[/b] one resembling an oppressive ruler in the harsh use of authority or power

          Our Founding Fathers did not speak of “tyrannies of the majority” without a clear understanding of the meaning of “tyranny.”

        • #2597070

          Not NEARLY epithet-y enough for me.

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Actually, “tyrant” serves quite well.

          I’m looking for something that implies the questionable parentage and a pox on one’s descendants, as “blasphemy” and “treason” do, and find no such word. Collectivism, it would seem, is built in to the forms of collective interaction called “language”. Another item for the to-do list.

        • #2597022

          I feel your pain.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Not NEARLY epithet-y enough for me.

          While technically correct, “tryanny” just doesn’t have that certain [i]je ne sais quoi[/i] that “blasphemy” and “treason” do.

        • #2585089

          You Sir, are Pompas

          by mslamen ·

          In reply to I’m sure [i]now[/i] that he [u]does not[/u] understand.

          If I used the dictionary while writing my post, I could use big words and throw down useless diffinitions as well.
          You wear your phony intellect like a cheap suit in the hope others will be fooled into thinking you are brilliant.

          I have no ties to you as I am just a simple man. Perhaps Neon, Absolutely and yourself can attend a Global Warming rally together and swap big words while mystifying those around you.

          This is my final post in this thread.
          Good day!

        • #2598579

          Too Funny! :^0

          by captbilly1eye ·

          In reply to You Sir, are Pompas

          What?
          Never been around people that can actually use those ‘big’ words?
          Hard to imagine that people can and do without having to look ’em up?

          Man! You need to broaden your circle of friends, dude. 😀

          BTW… it’s ‘pompous,’ not ‘pompas.’

          …best laugh all day!

        • #2598341

          Maybe he meant “pomp ass.”

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Too Funny! :^0

          Now that’s one he [i]would[/i] need to define!

        • #2598465

          Here’s a free spellchecker

          by captbilly1eye ·

          In reply to You Sir, are Pompas

          This gives you a way to check spelling with a right-click in Internet Explorer:
          http://tinyurl.com/z14z

          I’ve used it for years.

          … thought it’d come in handy. 😉

        • #2598343

          Some of us don’t require a dictionary in order to have & use …

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to You Sir, are Pompas

          a varied voacbulary. You might try it some time.

          Using the same words repeatedly is about as exciting as British cuisine.

        • #2598342

          PS – I notice that you’ve still avoided the [u]real[/u] issues.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to You Sir, are Pompas

          Is that what you meant when you said that you are a “simple” man?

        • #2597069

          THANK YOU!

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to You Sir, are Pompas

          [i]Perhaps Neon, Absolutely and yourself can attend a Global Warming rally together and swap big words while mystifying those around you.[/i]

          What a ferociously kind compliment! Seeing your attempt to use me as your straw man in order to disparage deepsand is the most thoroughly flattered in eons. I’ll have to tell the Samurai, also.

          Good day to you too, sir!

          :^0

        • #2598591

          Dbl-Post – ‘Sup widdat?!

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to I’m sure [i]now[/i] that he [u]does not[/u] understand.

          .

        • #2598340

          Yeah; they & the Custom 404s are back – again.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Dbl-Post – ‘Sup widdat?!

          :_|

        • #2598584

          mslamen-TYVM for my belly-laugh of the day. I coined a new word today too

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to I’m sure [i]now[/i] that he [u]does not[/u] understand.

          Ignoranus = Ignorant a$$hole. Maybe it’s been used before and if it has I don’t remember seeing it so I’m saying that this is the first time in print. Maybe I’m just a pompous bassoon player wannabe Kemosabe. Would NOT surprise me.

        • #2598339

          Bassoons are cool.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to mslamen-TYVM for my belly-laugh of the day. I coined a new word today too

          So are oboes.

        • #2597204

          Hey Deep _ I’m max level everywhere except here

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to I’m sure [i]now[/i] that he [u]does not[/u] understand.

          Weird.

          I was going to post something wittay but during this reply they just announced that a fighter pilot from a local National Guard unit didn’t survive his plane going down in Iraq and I can’t think of anything funny.

          FWIW – I think that mslaren is alright with me but that’s just my opinion. Different strokes for different folks and so on and so on and doobie doobie doobie.

        • #2597021

          Look for my PM in your e-mail.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Hey Deep _ I’m max level everywhere except here

          Enjoy; be 🙂

        • #2597007

          ‘T works

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to Look for my PM in your e-mail.

          Thanks

        • #2597006

          Still works

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to ‘T works

          Woohoo!!!

        • #2597005

          Further testing was required

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to Still works

          Going to do one more

        • #2597004

          Yep still working. Thanks deepsand

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to Further testing was required

          ,

        • #2596988

          It’ll even work [u]beyond[/u] range of visibility.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Yep still working. Thanks deepsand

          If you view the source code of the page, you can get the “messageID” of Posts that have gone past the right border of the viewable area, and, by editing the URL to contain the appropriate “messageID,” continue an invisible thread!

        • #2596980

          THAT could be VERY interesting

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to It’ll even work [u]beyond[/u] range of visibility.

          I can foresee a topic or discusssion going “invisible” and still contain 100’s of posts though only 15 or so “show” up. I haven’t missed out on one of those have I? Please send PM if I have.

        • #2596898

          One would think so, but …

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to THAT could be VERY interesting

          in fact, all that happens is that the posts look weird, but are very noticeable by the vertical space they occupy and the alias on the far left. Some such overcrowding occurs on the thread discussing the new ‘view all posts’ feature.

        • #2583984

          Only vestigially evidenced.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to One would think so, but …

          Even in “View All” mode, the text of such posts are not visible.

        • #2583966

          just a sec…

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Only vestigially evidenced.

          Really, the text isn’t visible? Hold on while I check that …

        • #2583963

          It looks like heonly put 1 mandatory character in this post, a .

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to just a sec…

        • #2583929

          Go [u]1 level deeper[/u], to [u]my[/u] post, and …

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to It looks like heonly put 1 mandatory character in this post, a .

          then go to “View All Posts.”

          My post, in Reply to messageID=2242060, is [u]invisible[/u].

          Then, in [u]either[/u] view, try to find my reply to my above said post.

        • #2583730

          Eventually, it wraps

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Go [u]1 level deeper[/u], to [u]my[/u] post, and …

          not sure about the all view option, but in the normal screen, it just keeps going and going an …..

        • #2597452

          Only on FF, where it wraps around.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Eventually, it wraps

          On IE, it’s completely cloaked, with only the blank lines to hint at the presence of “something.”

        • #2597267

          Sounds like just one more reason

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Only on FF, where it wraps around.

          to not be using IE, huh? :p

        • #2598142

          TR [u]broke[/u] our [i]fix[/i]. :_|

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to I’m sure [i]now[/i] that he [u]does not[/u] understand.

          [b]You cannot reply to this message[/b] is now the response. X-(

        • #2598037

          And you are surprised because?

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to I’m sure [i]now[/i] that he [u]does not[/u] understand.

          As much as the hack has been abused, I’m surprised it took this look to patch it.

          But far be it from me to point fingers……

        • #2597766

          Who’s surprised? Certainly not me. I [u]am[/u] disappointed …

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to I’m sure [i]now[/i] that he [u]does not[/u] understand.

          … that TR saw fit to devote resources, not to fixing any of the many problems that reduce the usability of this site, but to removing a functionality whose usage came, so far as I can tell, at no cost to them.

        • #2598582

          Forgive my ignorance

          by Anonymous ·

          In reply to Are you sure he understands?

          But wasn’t what is now the Republican party actually called the Liberal party once upon a time? Or maybe it was Liberal Republican or somethig like that, mid-1800s?

        • #2598334

          You may be thinking of the 1872 party rift which gave rise to …

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Forgive my ignorance

          the “Liberal Republicans.”

          Additionally, what is now known as the “Progessive Era”, from 1896-1932, was ushered in by McKinley’s election, and was, with the exception of 1912-1920, under Wilson, dominated by Republican Presidents.

        • #2586178

          Largely about PCs

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Liberal is a very common term

          but I think they give fair play to servers, also.

        • #2585400

          Big Iron rocks!

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Largely about PCs

          /

        • #2583770

          “Free” Site Services does not mean Free Speech

          by skirsch ·

          In reply to Liberal is a very common term

          Not to add to an incredibly stupid argument, and I’m sure this has been brought up already – I simply don’t have time enough or care to read 400+ replies to idiocy.

          You DO NOT have the right to free speech on this site, no matter what you think. This site is owned and operated privately by CNET and TechRepublic and you use its services only after having the opportunity to view the Terms of Usage agreement (http://www.cnetnetworks.com/editorial/terms.html?tag=tr.ft.co).

          Even if you were to pay for the use of TechRepublic you would not have the right to free speech.

          And since you’re not smart enough to read ToA’s/ToU’s and EULA’s, I figure your not smart enough to read the Constitution either:
          “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

          CONGRESS shall make no law – not that Companies, or Persons can make no law, or rule. Not that your freedom of speech is protected uniformly no matter what by the constitution — simply that CONGRESS shall make no law. Now who is the liberal, Mr I-want-blanket-immunity-from-my-own-vocal-idiocy.

          And, as for the Terms of Usage from CNET:
          “We have the right, but not the obligation, to take any of the following actions in our sole discretion at any time and for any reason without giving you any prior notice:

          1. Restrict, suspend, or terminate your access to all or any part of our Services;
          2. Change, suspend, or discontinue all or any part of our Services;
          3. Refuse, move, or remove any material that you submit to our sites for any reason;
          4. Refuse, move, or remove any content that is available on our sites;
          5. Deactivate or delete your accounts and all related information and files in your account;
          6. Establish general practices and limits concerning use of our sites.”

          “Without limiting the foregoing, you agree that you will not use our sites to take any of the following actions:

          1. Defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten, or otherwise violate the legal right of others;
          2. Publish, post, upload, e-mail, distribute, or disseminate (collectively, “Transmit”) any inappropriate, profane, defamatory, infringing, obscene, indecent, or unlawful content;
          3. Transmit files that contain viruses, corrupted files, or any other similar software or programs that may damage or adversely affect the operation of another person’s computer, our sites, any software or hardware, or telecommunications equipment;
          4. Advertise or offer to sell any goods or services for any commercial purpose unless you have our written consent to do so;
          5. Transmit surveys, contests, pyramid schemes, spam, unsolicited advertising or promotional materials, or chain letters;
          6. Download any file that you know or reasonably should know cannot be legally obtained in such manner;
          7. Falsify or delete any author attributions, legal or other proper notices or proprietary designations or labels of the origin or the source of software or other material;
          8. Restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying any public area within our sites;
          9. Collect or store personal information about other end users;
          10. Interfere with or disrupt our sites, servers, or networks;
          11. Impersonate any person or entity, including, but not limited to, a CNET Networks representative, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity;
          12. Forge headers or manipulate identifiers or other data in order to disguise the origin of any content transmitted through our sites or to manipulate your presence on our sites;
          13. Take any action that imposes an unreasonably or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure;
          14. Engage in any illegal activities.”

          Any prolonged arguing on your part when you, of your own free will, chose to use these services and therefor entered into a binding legal agreement with CNET and its subsidiaries does, indeed, show the extreme level of ignorance you hold towards not just persons of another race, or nationality, or economic means – whatever your grievance might be – but also your level of ignorance simply concerning your own daily actions.

          YOU broke the rules YOU agreed to. This is not a liberal/conservative debate or even a racial equality debate. You chose to come to this site to defame others, no matter how much of a “informative” package on visa’s and business practices you believe you wrapped said defamation in.

          Yes, people can choose not to read it, but you can also chose not to use the services of a site that restricts your ability to express your way of thinking, and your political/economic and/or global views – via an agreement you willingly signed. YOU entered into this agreement of your own free will, YOU chose to use free services provided by a profit minded company, and YOU have the ability to exit from said contract if you wish.

          Your OP Title is correct, Freedom of speech IS nonexistent here on TechRepublic. Learn to education yourself, Learn to be aware of the full particulars of agreements your enter into, and finally, Learn to understand that Freedom of Speech is not a universally applicable rule of life – considering it as such would be a rather liberal view, wouldn’t you say?

        • #2597553

          A very detailed explaination, skirsch

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to “Free” Site Services does not mean Free Speech

          But I would question how it is that someone that has been a member for a whole day would have that much invested in the site to care enough to write it?

          Let me guess, a lurker that finally found something that pulled you off the fence? Everyone has that one key issue that sucks them in, was this yours?

          [i](nothing wrong with lurkers, so please do not think that it was intended as some form of put-down.)

        • #2597515

          heh, neither a lurker or a newbie

          by skirsch ·

          In reply to A very detailed explaination, skirsch

          I’ll admit I haven’t used TechRepublic in a bit, and overall this is probably my 3rd account on the site, and I’ve used the site on and off for 5 years or so in total… when one tends to move around a lot as well as have a tendency to drop external hard drives and lose data without a lot of personal backups, you tend to lose old passwords/accounts pretty regularly :-p

        • #2597477

          I knew it wasn’t a case of a newbie

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to heh, neither a lurker or a newbie

          because you actually supported your statements, which is a CLASSIC newbie character flaw.

        • #2597547

          Illiteracy and tech- not a marriage- (off topic)

          by wkpickett0154 ·

          In reply to Liberal is a very common term

          I am always so amazed when folks can make some intelligent sentences but- due to not paying attention, lack of education- not sure- it’s Drivel- ‘talk foolishly’ and write, as in write letters…wkpickett0154@comcast.net (Looking for intelligent life that wants to do, be, and have more, so we can create a better humanity going forward…)

    • #2584294

      This is a business

      by jamesrl ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      And no, I’m not in any way shape or form affiliated with them…

      The business has the right to edit anything they like.

      They are not denying you free speech, you have the right to say whatever you want. They/the moderators, on the other hand, have the right to choose the kind of content they want on their website.

      You don’t have the right to post anything here, and neither do I. Sorry, doesn’t exist.

      TV stations and newspapers have the right to and often do refuse content and/or advertising on whatever grounds they see fit. Bars kick out obnoxious drunks. This website is the same.

      You don’t deny TR the right to trim SPAM do you? Well they obviously judge some of your posts to be equally as undesireable.

      If I thought they were censuring you because you were slagging Microsoft or something similar, I’d be on your side. But I don’t see that free speech extends to forcing private organizations to carry your opinions if they chose not to.

      James

    • #2584287

      You need a clue – Another misunderstanding of “Freedom of Speech”

      by maxwell edison ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      There is no “Freedom of Speech” within the confines of a private business. You take the term out of context and apply it incorrectly. You have absolutely no rights within the TR forums except those the owners wish to extend you.

      • #2584165

        right on the money Mr. E.

        by tg2 ·

        In reply to You need a clue – Another misunderstanding of “Freedom of Speech”

        You’re right on the Money Mr. Edison.. glad to see someone else can cut to the issue at hand shorting and nipping it as need be.

      • #2586308

        Dead on.

        by charliespencer ·

        In reply to You need a clue – Another misunderstanding of “Freedom of Speech”

        The terms “freedom of speech” and “censorship” are frequently misused in this country. You have the right to say, print, or otherwise distribute whatever you want, as long as it isn’t slander or libel. However, neither TR nor anyone else is obligated to provide you a forum. This is their site, subject to their whims.

        It’s going to be difficult to determine why they edited you without copies of what you posted. Obviously its going to be equally difficult to include those examples here without them getting re-edited. If you’d like to send me a PM with some edited content, I’ll be happy to take a guess at why they pulled it. Since I’m not on the staff, a guess is all it will be.

      • #2596886

        He needs [u]more[/u] than just a [u]clue[/u]!

        by absolutely ·

        In reply to You need a clue – Another misunderstanding of “Freedom of Speech”

        Freedom of Speech belongs to the owner of a resource, for WMW’s complaint, the TechRepublic servers.

        [i]There is no “Freedom of Speech” within the confines of a private business.[/i]

        Yes, there is “Freedom of Speech” within the confines of a private business, but that freedom is reserved to the owners of that business, who may describe parameters for the use of their resources. I may not use my employer’s resources for personal gain outside the contractual scope of my employment and labor there, and I may not use their communications equipment for speech harmful to the interests of my employer, nor contrary to the stated parameters of permitted speech within the confines of their property. In general, speech that is not contrary to the business’ pursuit of profit nor prohibited by law (threats and incitement to panic or violence most notably, ie yelling “fire” in a crowded theater or work environment, when there is no fire) are permitted.

        [i]You take the term out of context and apply it incorrectly. You have absolutely no rights within the TR forums except those the owners wish to extend you.[/i]

        Generally, he has any rights [b]not prohibited[/b] explicitly by law nor by the owners of the forum. In this case, however, the terms of use of this business include a disclaimer of their privilege of arbitrary control:

        [i]We have the right, but not the obligation, to take any of the following actions in our sole discretion at any time and for any reason without giving you any prior notice:

        1. Restrict, suspend, or terminate your access to all or any part of our Services;
        2. Change, suspend, or discontinue all or any part of our Services;
        3. Refuse, move, or remove any material that you submit to our sites for any reason;
        4. Refuse, move, or remove any content that is available on our sites;
        5. Deactivate or delete your accounts and all related information and files in your account;
        6. Establish general practices and limits concerning use of our sites.

        You agree that we will not be liable to you or any third party for taking any of these actions.[/i]

        http://www.cnetnetworks.com/editorial/terms.html?tag=tr.ft.co

        To do so is within their rights — on their property.

    • #2584286

      First considerations

      by mjd420nova ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      One of the first things I look at BEFORE reading an individuals posts is the date joined as that gives me a big clue as to whether I will even consider reading even the title, let alone the body of the post. Might you have tossed in a bit of spam or attempted to sell something?? I haven’t read any of your posts, and there was an individual with a very similar user name that was in the habit of flaming anything and everything that others expressed. AS was already stated, TR has the right to edit anything they wish, for any reason, at any time. That’s just the way it is and we all have to live with it, like it or not.

    • #2584273

      Well,

      by neilb@uk ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      I don’t think that “freedom of speech” is being curtailed at all. I’ve made a couple of thousand posts about absolutely anything that I wanted over the last couple of years. I’ve got about as close to burning the US flag on some occasions as I can do without matches and not a single post has been pulled or edited. I’ve insulted anyone I wish exactly how I wish.

      Most of the other peers – at least those who do get properly involved – can say the same.

      So, I suggest you need to have a quick look in the mirror. You could even get yourself your own username rather than poncing off others. You’re a bit stupid, aren’t you? You can’t get by in any discussion without loudmouthing it and chucking insults around and what that makes you is really BORING. You’ve even come out with the classic “that someone has a choice of not reading my posts”. Tell you! We don’t WANT to read your posts and we’re all happy with Beth’s clean-up of your crap.

      If I’m wrong, I invite all of your supporter (sic) to flame.

      Neil

      THIS post won’t be edited out. Betcha!

      • #2584263

        Bring it on…wanker!

        by why me worry?? ·

        In reply to Well,

        This is one dispute I won’t back down from.

        • #2584259

          You win. I’m overwhelmed by your rhetoric

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to Bring it on…wanker!

          You just don’t get it, do you?

          If you want to actually post something other than simple insults – something with a bit of substance – it would probably be a first; I might even reply. Might…

          Until that happens, every post you make just nails what a shallow individual you are. This is not a dispute. This is fact.

          “Wanker”? Get a life you sad, sad child.

        • #2584247

          Why don’t you read my other threads before you label me

          by why me worry?? ·

          In reply to You win. I’m overwhelmed by your rhetoric

          Oh how quick we are to judge though!

        • #2586643

          The thing about Neil

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Why don’t you read my other threads before you label me

          is he is an EXCELLENT judge of character, or in your case, LACK of character.

        • #2584213

          What’s so important about *this* dispute?

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Bring it on…wanker!

          “This is one dispute I won’t back down from.”

          There are plenty of sites that let you post any BS you like. What is so important about having your words appear [b]on TechRepublic[/b] that you “won’t back down from” [u]this[/u] dispute? If TR is so important that you won’t back down, isn’t it also so important that’s it’s worth abiding by the standards? I think so.

        • #2586297

          Why not back down? Why do you care what neilb thinks?

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Bring it on…wanker!

          “If my posts are offending someone, then that someone has a choice of not reading my posts.”

          If neilb’s posts offend you, you have the choice to not read them. You expect him not to offend you, but you don’t care if you offend others. You can’t have it both ways without looking like a hypocrite.

        • #2586647

          Back into maybe?

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Bring it on…wanker!

          You sound like you have backed into too many door knobs for your own good….

          And why is it you choose to be a poor copy instead of standing up as your own account?

    • #2584260

      May Not Be TR Staff

      by thechas ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      The root cause of your post being edited may not be directly tied to the staff of TR.

      Unless the staff is a lot more people than I anticipate, and they have nothing to do but watch the forums, they just don’t have the time to read all the posts.

      What is more apt to be happening is that some peer is offended by your posts and reports them to the TR staff. The TR staff then reviews the post and acts in what is the best interest of TR.

      The most memorable instance of this was the thread the Guru Of DOS started a few years back on the prospects of what would happen if all of the spam offers of treatments for male enhancement he received over the course of a month could be added together. I missed out on most of the posts, but hear that things got well out of hand.

      Even if you are using a pseudonym, it is wise on ANY public forum to control your language. You never know who might be able to trace it back to you.

      Chas

      • #2586303

        “Male enhancement … got well out of hand”

        by charliespencer ·

        In reply to May Not Be TR Staff

        ‘Nuff said.

        I won’t be shocked if this post doesn’t survive.

        • #2586179

          You would!

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to “Male enhancement … got well out of hand”

          Or, do I mean ‘wood’?

          I’d be slightly surprised if anybody objects to that post. I’ve seen much worse.

        • #2586555

          I object

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to You would!

          to anyone objecting.

        • #2586554

          I object

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to You would!

          to anyone objecting.

        • #2585409

          Objection overruled.

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to I object

          You’re welcome to object to my ruling of course, but the OWNERS will decide whose objections they care to consider. It’s their property, not ours.

          :p

        • #2585408

          and so

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to I object

          you would be a part of “anyone”, and having objected, your objecting yourself? Ohh, the tangled web we weave!

          Don’t you just hate people that hate? B-)

        • #2585394

          I find them objectionable :D

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to and so

          hee hee

    • #2584235

      You’re still here

      by nicknielsen ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      I don’t see where you have been kicked off, and even if you have, TR has every right to do so. I do see where some of the more obnoxious name-calling has been edited out. And no, you haven’t been singled out.

      Edit: Just based on this masterpiece of maturity (http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=222058&messageID=2249428), if I were the moderator, I’d block your ISP.

      • #2584227

        Sorry for getting ticked off, but I don’t appreciate having my posts edited

        by why me worry?? ·

        In reply to You’re still here

        because there is nothing in there that is so outrageous or offensive to warrant being edited

        I think my posts are funny and sarcastic, but if some find them offensive, it’s their friggin problem!

        • #2584225

          Funny AND sarcastic?

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Sorry for getting ticked off, but I don’t appreciate having my posts edited

          Sarcastic is easy for most people. Funny takes some work. Getting them both right at the same time is extremely difficult. Apparently, somebody thinks you aren’t quite getting it right.

          I understand how you feel about being edited as I’ve always hated it myself. But if it’s happening to the majority of your posts, you might consider cutting back somewhat on the rhetoric.

        • #2584222

          Perhaps I am too funny for my own good

          by why me worry?? ·

          In reply to Funny AND sarcastic?

          Oh well, the Imus crackdown is in full force here on TR from what I’m seeing…LOL.

          Message was edited by: beth.blakely@…

        • #2584208

          Not funny enough.

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Perhaps I am too funny for my own good

          NOBODY is complaining about your posts because of stomach injuries suffered due to excessive laughter.

          That was sarcastic AND funny. It IS a delicate balance, like Nick said. You could learn a lot from neilb on that score. Also HAL9000, sleepin’dawg, apotheon & sometimes OzMedia are masters.

        • #2584115

          Well, if you came here looking for Imus, you’ve come to the wrong place.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Perhaps I am too funny for my own good

          We’re a cut above him.

        • #2584094

          Crackdown?

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Perhaps I am too funny for my own good

          Yes, that’s possible. But if there is a “crackdown.” I suspect it’s less about political correctness and more about trying to decrease the rudeness coefficient on TR.

          Edit: just finished browsing the remainder of this thread. Not a lot of maturity from either side of this one…

        • #2586332

          all ungood entries will be made upgood

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Crackdown?

          plussungood oldspeak was noticed and upgraded. All references to unpersons now good.

          doubleplussungood citizen WMW has been given plussgood retraining.

        • #2586142

          Plus, only contains a single “s”

          by mjwx ·

          In reply to all ungood entries will be made upgood

          What, with all the flaming I didn’t want to be left out 🙂

        • #2585377

          Oh, puhleeze!

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to all ungood entries will be made upgood

          Buy your own web server.

          This is not your forum or WMW’s forum, and if any of your opinions are [b]not[/b] deleted, you may thank the owners for that. You just make yourself look like a ‘whiny little titty baby’ when you complain about the owners of TechRepublic refusing to waste their resources on opinions you like. There’s a vast Internet, and you have the right to waste [b]your[/b] resources, not anybody else’s, on expressing your worthless opinion.

        • #2584042

          Free to be an ass on your own dime…

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Perhaps I am too funny for my own good

          Let me ask you something.

          If Imus had called your wife or your daughter a “Ho” on national radio, would you be upset?

          If you owned Imus’ radio station/network, and you were worried about losing network sponsors – $$$, would you not want the right to decide what to broadcast on your own network?

          If Imus, or you, want to create your own website and say whatever you want, go fill your boots, none of us can or would stop you.

          If you want to play on someone else’s site, play by their rules, or go somewhere else.

          I’ve never found you funny. I have found you bigoted and nasty. Now Dawg, he is funny (and scary sometimes).

          James

        • #2585317

          Funny, that WMW hasn’t retorted back a single word since that…

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Free to be an ass on your own dime…

          [i]Let me ask you something.

          If Imus had called your wife or your daughter a “Ho” on national radio, would you be upset?[/i]

          Uncomfortable with the fit of his own shoe on the opposite foot I suppose. Well done, James.

        • #2585279

          Beth gave him the boot, again.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Funny, that WMW hasn’t retorted back a single word since that…

          .

        • #2586300

          “Their friggin problem”, not.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Sorry for getting ticked off, but I don’t appreciate having my posts edited

          “I think my posts are funny and sarcastic, but if some find them offensive, it’s their friggin problem!”

          No, it’s TR’s problem, possibly every members’ problem, and to some extent your problem too. The TR business model, like so many web businesses, is to make money by providing advertising-supported content to a target market audience. If too many in that audience is offended by your posts, they’ll leave and not come back. Fewer eyeballs watching the ads, less money from the advertisers. Also, some advertisers do not want to be associated with some types of content. If enough advertisers pull their accounts, either because of low ad viewership or because they find the site offensive, no TR.

          As to it being your problem, it’s a question of what you want from your membership. If all you’re looking for is a place to spout off, then you’re right: what others think is not your problem at all. On the other hand, if you’re at all concerned with having others here respect your opinion, or want to include your TR membership on a resume, you may want to express yourself differently. You can’t expect people to respect your opinion without you respecting theirs.

          Consider trying to post without trying to be sarcastic. Sarcasm rarely elicits a positive response from others; it’s difficult to write sarcasm in writing without looking mean-spirited or contemptuous instead. It’s especially difficult to pull off if the only content in your post is a sarcastic remark devoid of supporting facts or opinions, just sarcasm for sarcasm’s sake. Look at some posts from TR members whose opinions you may value and see how often they’re sarcastic without providing additional information. Plus, it’s far more effective if you use it less and save it for occasions that truly deserve a cutting remark. Try presenting a reasoned position and slip the sarcasm in at the very end, you stupid dingleberry.

    • #2584219

      Freedom of Speech rights belong to the OWNERS of the site.

      by absolutely ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      They allow us to use their equipment, within their business, in pursuit of their profit. Anything we are allowed to say here, we are allowed on the assumption that it is helpful or neutral to that pursuit. If your posts are being edited, it is because they are deemed less than worthless, professionally speaking, not because they are “naughty”. Fuckwit.

    • #2584218

      Aw, gee, poor baby. If you made your points diplomatically like me…. ;)

      by sleepin’dawg ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      and with a modicum of intelligence you might not be called to task and be edited. From what I’ve read of your drivel regarding the H-1B matter, you came off as a small minded, despicable, racist bigot and I’d bet my last dollar, that in your real life you don’t dare speak like that. If you talk the talk, you’ve got to be prepared to walk the walk but your kind doesn’t walk, it slithers.

      For what it’s worth you’ve come off sounding like a gutless whiner who figures the anonymity of these forums gives you carte blanche to spew your childish hatred without fear of being called on it. You may think you have a razor sharp wit but from here I see you as a nitwit whose tongue and/or mind would probably be best used as toilet paper.

      There were/are many points to consider on the H-1B topic; yours just aren’t amongst the ones worthy of consideration. Beth edited you??? Well TS. You got precisely what you deserved. Don’t like it??? Find somewhere else to pollute with your despicable, infantile garbage. If you fail to comprehend the intended insults here let me quote you:

      [i][b] It’s like the loudmouths who complain about “offensive” TV or radio broadcasts. Hey morons, there’s something called a remote control and tuner knob to change the station or channel if you don’t like it.[/i][/b]

      You tripped over your own dick and whining like a snot nosed, little titty baby, isn’t going to garner you any sympathy. TR has seen many of your kind before, a lot of punks just like you, over the years. It will continue to survive, with or without you and without you would be no great loss.

      For what it’s worth, I have been deliberately and gratuitously insulting in regards to you, and I admit I’m pushing the envelope here. If Beth chooses to edit me, so be it but this is what the majority thinks of your little tantrum.

      [b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

    • #2584128

      umm..ya..like they said

      by shellbot ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      i’ve had stuff pulled and edited..so what..big deal.

      i’ve had people say they don’t like what i say..big deal.

      I’m all growed up and can take it..

      its a website dude..if its hurting you that much..move along and don’t let the door hit yer @ss on the way out

    • #2584126

      So, you’ve been here a mere 12 days, & already you’ve pissed off enough …

      by deepsand ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      people that your posts are regularly being flagged by viewers as Spam? Seems to me that the message is quite clear; you’ve made a very bad first impression.

      TR is like the local watering hole, where nobody has to like the newcomer; it’s up to him to fit in. If he can & does, fine; if not, that’s fine to, and no tears shed when he leaves.

      The ball’s in your court; the game is your’s to lose.

    • #2584124

      Why You Worry ??

      by tony hopkinson ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      Seeing as you were censored before I had the opportunity to be offended and to be fair offensive back, there’s no way I can comment on whether I would have found it offensive.

      If you do offend me I will tell you, then it’s down to you whether you continue to do so or amend your behaviour.

      This however is TR’s site, if they don’t like what you say they do have the right to stop it being said, whether it’s you, me, George Ou, Maxwell or any f’cker else.

      Their ‘house’, their rules.

      If they censor you don’t rail about your freedom of speech, reply and reword.

      If someone was to say most US criminals aren’t white. If they said that as a piece of supporting evidence in a diatribe on caucasian racial superiority, many would find that sort of racist drivel deeply offensive.

      If they said it as supporting evidence for continuing discrimination, some would find the pinko, liberal hand wringing eqyually offensive as well.

      Perhaps you could put “warning offensive material in post” in the subject line, that way we could choose not to read.

    • #2584117

      We’ve a saying in the Navy.

      by deepsand ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      Go see the Chaplain about getting your TS card punched.

      It’s good advice; and, for you, absolutely free.

    • #2584007

      Racism will not be tolerated

      by beth blakely ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      Why Me Worry published hateful, rude, insensitive remarks regarding Indians on the site. I sent him an email saying that would not be tolerated. He responded by posting dozens of horrid posts, each one worse than the last. THEN I kicked him off the site. Then he used about 20 different user names to post more racist tripe. I edited and kicked them all out. Then he came back with a similar user name (with two question marks) and behaved for a few days. But, of course, he couldn’t be a good boy. He went back to his obsessive posting about how he hates Indian people. (Calling people RACIST SLURS has nothing to do with your political beliefs.) I expect, since I kicked him yesterday, he’ll be back with another bunch of random one-use user names to post his opinions. Whatever. You guys know how to use the Mark as Spam button. Anything racist is subject to removal so click it!

      • #2583997

        Gee Beth, does that apply to whining snot nosed, little titty baby bigots??

        by sleepin’dawg ·

        In reply to Racism will not be tolerated

        😉 :^0
        Just pushing the envelope a bit.

        [b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

      • #2583994

        Oh…so now you chime in? How was I being racist?

        by why me worry?? ·

        In reply to Racism will not be tolerated

        All I stated was the truth about the living conditions of Indians who are here on H1-B visa and how in MY experiences, I have found their attitudes to be rude and obnoxious. Please explain to me where you found the racist remarks in that statement or who am I offending by expressing an opinion? Perhaps you need to read the entire post and ponder it a bit before you and other overly sensitive whiners go labeling me as racist or whatever else.

        • #2586346

          Boy, talk about being disingenuous? You came off like someone………….

          by sleepin’dawg ·

          In reply to Oh…so now you chime in? How was I being racist?

          who takes the bedsheets with them when they get up to go burn a cross on someone’s lawn. That little comment was how I used to refer to the KKK idiots and when I read comments like yours I can see the levels of hatred and bile are still high, just refocussed slightly to be more inclusive of other races.

          The fact that you can’t see or understand this pretty much says it all. Norrow minded mental midgets such as yourself need to be isolated so that your hatred doesn’t fester and breed. You finding Indians rude and obnoxious, I find very difficult to believe, unless, of course, you were the one being rude and obnoxious to start with. I guess you just don’t like anyone who is slightly different from you in colour and/or culture.

          Your levels of bile and hatred usually indicates an individual with esteem and identity problems coupled with paranoid delusions of grandeur. There’s nothing grand about you and I can only hope you crawl back under the rock you came out from under.

          As was pointed out by the majority, TR is a business and the people running it police it accordinly. Beth is/was only doing her job and from this seat she’s doing a damn fine job of it.

          Now, not to be impolite, bugger off and stop bothering the adults.

          [b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

        • #2586629

          He is just upset, Dawg

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Boy, talk about being disingenuous? You came off like someone………….

          After he spent all of his lunch money on “member enlargement” products that he gets in his email, and still has to wait till the stream starts to know where to grab…..

        • #2586232

          “overly sensitive whiners ” – Isn’t that a bit self-descriptive?

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Oh…so now you chime in? How was I being racist?

          :^0

        • #2598398

          A “true” racist never

          by mr.wiz ·

          In reply to Oh…so now you chime in? How was I being racist?

          sees himself as one. You know if you’re the only one who sees things your way and everyone else has a different view, maybe you should take a step back and look at yourself.

      • #2586467

        I share your opinion

        by jamesrl ·

        In reply to Racism will not be tolerated

        And I will readily admit I did hit the spam button on at least one of his posts. Of course I can’t quote them now…

        When he came on with the Indian sounding name that was the last straw…that was clearly racist.

        Beth, you are doing a fine job.

        James

        • #2586458

          Thanks James

          by beth blakely ·

          In reply to I share your opinion

          And, I’ll repeat: Calling people RACIST SLURS has nothing to do with your political beliefs.

          That’s all I’m saying on this subject. Actions speak louder than words.

        • #2586281

          Beth, you’re driving me nuts.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Thanks James

          I’m trying to figure out what terms he used. I know some slurs for Middle Easterners in general, but none specific to Indians. I feel like my education is being neglected.

          Oh, wait; I’m over it. Thanks, and carry on.

      • #2586234

        The Button is our friend.

        by deepsand ·

        In reply to Racism will not be tolerated

        While there is much about the site design & its functionality, or lack thereof, that drives us nuts, the addition of the “Button” stands in sharp contrast.

        And, it’s good to know that community input in this regard is sufficiently valued so as to warrant action.

        Thanks.

      • #2586545

        Thank You For Editing

        by wayne m. ·

        In reply to Racism will not be tolerated

        I prefer moderated sites. Although I wish everyone was able to discuss issues civilly and we did not have content edited, the reality is that some are unable to, or unwilling to, meet this simple standard.

        I continue to trust the staff at Tech Republic to excericse appropriate editorial control. I am grateful for this and Beth and staff have my support in continuing to maintain a site that is both informative and fun.

      • #2598577

        Beth…

        by Anonymous ·

        In reply to Racism will not be tolerated

        You really need to control your racist attitude toward racists. Actually It probably isn’t PC to call them racists, you should probably refer to them as ‘mentally special’ or ‘socially challenged’ . 😉

    • #2586453

      To all…

      by locrian_lyric ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      WMW’s posts weren’t nearly as nasty as some of the replies to him have been.

      I can certainly understand his consternation.

      If you want this matter to drop, let him vent and be done with it.

      • #2586433

        Pehaps you haven’t read all his posts

        by jamesrl ·

        In reply to To all…

        The worst ones of course were edited by the moderator.

        I would say racist and hateful would apply.

        James

        • #2586412

          And the dogpile is helping matters how?

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Pehaps you haven’t read all his posts

          Assuming the worst about him, all this dogpile is doing is convincing him he’s right.

          That, and turning this place into a slugfest rather than an IT forum.

          He’s gotten a slapdown from TR and lost his old account.

          He’s peeved now.

          Remember the good old days of USENET when we used to cal a P.I.S.S. on someone?

          What’s he going to do? Argue with himself?

        • #2586397

          A time and a place for everything

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to And the dogpile is helping matters how?

          If Why worry was simply annoying, I wouldn’t bother.

          And I don’t dogpile on many political discussions especially if its the same old democrats suck/republicans suck song that just seems to endlessly repeat.

          I come from usenet, and before that BBSs. My inroduction was alt.folklore.urban, when dogpiling is a way of life.

          I will tell you why this one bothers me. Racism. Now I am a white anglo saxon protestant male, so I have little stake in the game. But a wise person taught me not to ignore racism, because turning a blind eye to it helps it grow.

          I don’t think any of us have an impact on how he conducts himself, or he would have left long ago and not come back. Maybe if enough people call him out, he might just finally take the hint.

          James

        • #2586367

          Prejudice, Biggotry, and Racism

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to A time and a place for everything

          are three different things.

          Too often the first two are labeled the third.

          In fact, I have reletives who could never tell you about the third, if you get my drift.

          Still,

          at this point, what is being served?

          What can possibly be said to him that hasn’t been said already?

          He’s not continuing, so he’s obviously ended the behavior.

          Should we take him into the public square for a flogging?

        • #2586353

          What’s all this ruckus about anyway? I honestly pity the guy

          by big ole jack ·

          In reply to Prejudice, Biggotry, and Racism

          Perhaps he has had nothing but negative experiences with Indians and has formed a stereotypical image of an entire culture based upon a few bad apples. Come on now, we all do this from time to time and not one of us can honestly say that we don’t label, judge, or stereotype people based upon the experiences we encounter. Case in point, a good friend of mine was robbed at gunpoint by a group of young thugs, probably gang bangers, who all happened to be black and Hispanic. My friend started ranting about how all blacks and Hispanics are criminals and started spewing racially charged epithets and slurs at an entire ethnic group over the actions of a few punks. Is it wrong for him to have behaved this way? Sure it was, but given the circumstances, people who are constantly victimized or subjected to a constant behavior from certain people will resort to bigoted and racially charged rhetoric and behavior…whether or not others like it.

        • #2586331

          I’m sure the gentle correction has changed his opinion

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to What’s all this ruckus about anyway? I honestly pity the guy

          NOT.

        • #2586260

          “Is it wrong for him to have behaved this way?”

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to What’s all this ruckus about anyway? I honestly pity the guy

          “Sure it was”. ‘Nuff said both for your friend and for Why??. Especially given that your “excuse” for your friend of constant victimisation doesn’t apply to him and, I suspect, to Why?? either.

          I’m white but I’m neither Anglo-Saxon nor Protestant in a WASP culture so although racism doesn’t directly affect me yet, it may at some stage. I’d rather we not get into a social mind-set where any sort of racism doesn’t immediately attract censure or is even deemed acceptable.

          Neil 🙂

        • #2586228

          Let him be pitied in private.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to What’s all this ruckus about anyway? I honestly pity the guy

          We are neither his support group nor his psychoanalyst.

          And, we are certainly not his close friends.

        • #2586343

          Hmmmmmm! Now there’s a thought!!! :0

          by sleepin’dawg ·

          In reply to Prejudice, Biggotry, and Racism

          .

        • #2586229

          Re. “He’s not continuing, so he’s obviously ended the behavior”

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Prejudice, Biggotry, and Racism

          To the contrary, he’s continued the same behavior here, by repeatedly mention of such, with the clear intent to defend it as being both justified and “protected speech.”

          By demanding that we allow him to here speak as he wishes, he’s evidenced that he’s neither changed nor intends to attempt to change.

        • #2586761

          Are you bringing the tar, or the feathers.

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Re. “He’s not continuing, so he’s obviously ended the behavior”

          Or would you prefer to have him shot?

        • #2585393

          Neither.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Are you bringing the tar, or the feathers.

          I prefer that he simply go away.

        • #2586230

          Re. “Argue with himself?”

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to And the dogpile is helping matters how?

          That’s for him to decide.

          What [b]is[/b] for [b]us[/b] to decide is whether or not he’s welcome to spew his venom here.

        • #2586760

          Dogpile on the rabbit, Dogpile on the rabbit!!!

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Re. “Argue with himself?”

          Dogpile on the rabbit, Dogpile on the rabbit!!!
          Dogpile on the rabbit, Dogpile on the rabbit!!!
          Dogpile on the rabbit, Dogpile on the rabbit!!!
          Dogpile on the rabbit, Dogpile on the rabbit!!!
          Dogpile on the rabbit, Dogpile on the rabbit!!!

        • #2586750

          “Shoot the duck! Shoot the duck!”

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Dogpile on the rabbit, Dogpile on the rabbit!!!

          DD: Let’s try that again, shall we?

          BB: Okay. Do you want to shoot him now or take him home?

          DD: Ah ha! Pronoun trouble. It’s not, “Do you want to shoot HIM now?”, it’s “Do you want to shoot ME now?”. Well, I say, “SHOOT ME NOW!”

        • #2586739

          Is there any reason

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to “Shoot the duck! Shoot the duck!”

          Why all I can think of is Elmer Fudd singin

          “Kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit” ??

        • #2586734

          Monitor wipes – – – tissues! quick!

          by gadgetgirl ·

          In reply to “Shoot the duck! Shoot the duck!”

          Crying with laughter, splurted all over the keyboard and monitor!

          Ok, who’s got the monitor wipes this time? Pass em over here, please….

          (My “new girl” now thinks that not only have I lost the plot, I was never really in possession of it in the first place……)

          :p

          GG

        • #2586721

          Well

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to “Shoot the duck! Shoot the duck!”

          She would be right wouldn’t she?? hee hee ]:)

          Just invite her over let her see what all the fun is about 😀

        • #2586716

          Love the LT heference. :D

          by captbilly1eye ·

          In reply to “Shoot the duck! Shoot the duck!”

          [audio src="http://www.barbneal.com/wav/ltunes/daffy/Daffy04.wav" /]

        • #2586714

          What’s Opera Doc?

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Dogpile on the rabbit, Dogpile on the rabbit!!!

          Kill the wabbit
          Kill the wabbit
          Kill the wabbit
          Kill the wabbit

          Yo ho to-ho
          Yo ho to-ho
          Yo ho to-ho
          Yo ho to-ho

        • #2586709

          Oh Bwuhnilda, you’we so wovewy.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to What’s Opera Doc?

          Yes, I know it; I can’t help it.

        • #2586599

          *shrugs* *carries off dead wabbit*

          by beth blakely ·

          In reply to What’s Opera Doc?

          What did you expect? A happy ending?

        • #2585389

          Ceasing to be funny.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to What’s Opera Doc?

          Get a new keyboard.

        • #2585392

          Keyboard stuck?

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Dogpile on the rabbit, Dogpile on the rabbit!!!

          New ones are quite cheap these days.

        • #2585386

          yup yup

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Keyboard stuck?

          yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup
          yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup
          yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup
          yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup

          😀

        • #2585343

          This, from the same alias posting references to Orwell’s ‘1984’?

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to And the dogpile is helping matters how?

          One of us needs a magnet, and I’m honestly not sure which.

          Is the irony deliberate?

        • #2585116

          If a felon comitts a felony

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to This, from the same alias posting references to Orwell’s ‘1984’?

          G_D must therefore be an iron.

        • #2598333

          What if a [u]non[/u]-felon commits a felony?

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to If a felon comitts a felony

          ?:|

        • #2598332

          edit: posted question about “G_D” in reply to wrong poster

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to What if a [u]non[/u]-felon commits a felony?

          That was Richard_RPU’s term, not deepsand’s.

          I think Richard has skeedaddled, and now this crucial inquiry will never be addressed. Pfft, who gives a damn?

        • #2597065

          Then, it would cease to [u]non-be[/u] a felon …

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to What if a [u]non[/u]-felon commits a felony?

          You were only attempting to point out the redundancy of the phrase, weren’t you?

        • #2597018

          Absolutely correct!

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Then, it would cease to [u]non-be[/u] a felon …

          And, by [u]ceasing[/u] to be in a state of [u]non-being[/u] a [u]felon[/u], it would [u]become[/u] a state of [u]non-being[/u] a [u]non-felon[/u].

          Where’s Zealot when he’s most apt to feel right at home?

        • #2596882

          Absence of proof does not constitute proof of absence.

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Absolutely correct!

          [i]Where’s Zealot when he’s most apt to feel right at home?[/i]

          Your question implies a possibly false premise, that he is not right here amongst us. There are, after all, 3 or more aliases here gathered. Who [b]knows[/b]?

          🙂

        • #2583986

          Presence vs overt participation.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Absence of proof does not constitute proof of absence.

          Indeed, he may be “present” by virtue of his observing this thread. He may even be participating; but, [u]not overtly[/u] under said alias.

          Who [b]cares[/b]?

        • #2597543

          chicken and egg question

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to What if a [u]non[/u]-felon commits a felony?

          Does the person become a felon at the time of the act, or at the time he/she is caught and convicted?

          Like O.J. Simpson, found not-guilty, (provided he really did it, ~cough cough~ ) would still be a felon despite not being a CONVICTED felon?

        • #2597428

          [u]Presumed[/u] felon would be more accurate.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to chicken and egg question

          “Felon” has a specific legal definition; and, absent a conviction, one is not legally a felon.

          Therefore, one can but presume that, given [u]all[/u] pertinent facts, a conviction could be obtained.

        • #2597067

          …such as misspelling “commit” ?

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to If a felon comitts a felony

          What is “G_D” ? Anybody?

        • #2597015
        • #2596880

          I should have recognized the abbreviation.

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to GOD.

          It’s like [i]Deja Vu Part II[/i].

        • #2583987

          Still unanswered, though, is why he felt it necessary to use such.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to I should have recognized the abbreviation.

          Particularly when not all are aware of its use currently be in vogue.

          Was this simply an unwarranted assumption of his part? Or, was it the case that he hoped that its meaning would cause confusion?

          Odd, too, that one who claims to be old enough to have participated in the pre-net on-line world should choose to use a term coined by Gen Y.

    • #2586323

      “Like Deja vu all over again” – Yogi Berra

      by captbilly1eye ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      [b]After reading all of the posts in this incredibly long diatribe, I couldn’t help but feel I had heard it all before…[/b]

      After years in many other forums, The appeal that TR had and has is that its members are primarily made up of like-minded professionals that have some direct or indirect relationship to computer tech.
      The opportunity to help people with technical issues, learn new things and communicate directly with others in my field was what brought me here.
      There are hundreds of the stereo-typical forums that are filled with many members that have their own agenda to pound home. I remember being somewhat guilty of that myself at one time or another. But I grew out of that long ago.

      The fact that you are crying freedom of speech is something I have heard all too many times before. Nothing new. In fact… it reminds me of an article written in 2001 by Timothy Campbell titled “What is a Troll?”
      If you have never read it, you owe it to yourself to check it out. Perhaps it will hit home or, like it did for me, provide a distinct echo.
      Specifically the section titled; ‘What about Free Speech?’
      [b]http://tinyurl.com/23t6rf[/b]

      now… let’s move on.

    • #2586808

      Reference links?

      by ontheropes ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      Seriously, I don’t know what you’re talking about.

      Of course TR can edit out anything they’d like as Max said so succinctly but where have you been “censored”?

      I create a post in OO.o then paste it into a reply so I have record of the crap I post sometimes. If you’ve done that please feel free to send me peermail and I’ll see if I can guess why TR edited and get back to you. I’m hard to shock so any content you’d send would be okay and I never post email content, anywhere.

      I thought that I might be booted for some of my own drivel but that hasn’t happened and I don’t think that it will happen. Some folks seem to have difficulty viewing my latest discussion but I can hardly lay blame for that on TR’s doorstep. I find that a page “reload” often works just fine if I get an error. There are so many browsers and add-ons/security settings that it’s hard to say why any particular pc can’t “do” any given task online

      I try not to post slanderous and inflammatory appearing comments unsupported by facts or evidence. I got a well deserved TR smackdown for not posting reference links a couple of years ago and the lesson still sticks with me. In other words if I call a spade a spade I show that I have reason to believe it’s a spade and not something else.

      I’m about as politically incorrect a person as you’ll find at TR and to my knowledge I’ve never been edited out by anyone at TR. I’ve edited myself “out” but if you take a look at my contacts you’ll see that there are some heavy hitters there, some of whom would no doubt report my drivel as offensive if they thought they were offended.

      Awaiting peermail…

      Edited because heference isn’t really a word.

      • #2586794

        “Heference” is indeed a word.

        by charliespencer ·

        In reply to Reference links?

        But you misspelled it. When you apply for a job at a daily, you submit your resume and a list of cows you’ve previously worked with; your “heiferences”.

        • #2586777

          oh..i’ve got those

          by shellbot ·

          In reply to “Heference” is indeed a word.

          my last boss was a real cow.. but she’s a good heifernece

        • #2586776

          Heference……

          by gadgetgirl ·

          In reply to “Heference” is indeed a word.

          is what you keep your heffalumps held behind…….

          GG

          ]:)

          :p

        • #2586770

          I thought you kept your heffalumps

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Heference……

          behind a brassiere.

        • #2586767

          Eek!

          by gadgetgirl ·

          In reply to I thought you kept your heffalumps

          You looked!

          😀

          GG

          ]:)

        • #2586758

          In Heference

          by captbilly1eye ·

          In reply to Eek!

          to your hefalumps, I think they are bovine. …and I mean that as a cowpliment.

          But, you’ve probably herd that all before.

        • #2586748

          I cown’t stand it.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to In Heference

          Commenting on her heffalumps is unbelievabully vulgar and udderly sexist.

        • #2586743

          Jeez

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to I cown’t stand it.

          Who would of known that one speeling mistake could cause all this!! Unless of course GG is suffering from Thursdayitis!! 😉

        • #2586620

          and we love

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Jeez

          when gg gets a XdaytiTs going…. ]:)

          And one correction, she doesn’t sound like she is suffering at all, butt rather enjoying herself [i](bzzzzz)[/i] :0

        • #2586702

          haha..good ones guys!!

          by shellbot ·

          In reply to In Heference

          .

        • #2586736

          Mooooooo-ve over!

          by gadgetgirl ·

          In reply to Eek!

          You’re all just milking this one!

          beef-ore this gets udderly outta hand, I’ll pat it back to the Cap’n…. 😀 :p

          Stef – ok, where da webcam? How you know I have Thursdayitis?!

          Cap’n – if the sun’s over the yardarm, have your daily ration on me – I enjoyed that one!

          GG

        • #2586722

          C’mon GG

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to Mooooooo-ve over!

          I know you well enough to read 2 of your posts and find out if you have the “itis” for that day 😀

        • #2586682

          dashbinitall……

          by gadgetgirl ·

          In reply to Mooooooo-ve over!

          Stef, I thought it would have taken more than two…..

          Having said that, there are two people on this board who could “name that tune in one!”

          😀 :p

          GG

          ]:)

        • #2586619

          Heffalumps??? Boy am I behind the times!!! After all these years……. ;)

          by sleepin’dawg ·

          In reply to Mooooooo-ve over!

          I can’t help calling them [b][i]”Fun Bags”[/b][/i]. I must be getting way too old but in my defence; while some guys are real[b]Titt Idiots[/b] I’m kinda [b]Bum Dumb[/b] :^0

          [b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

        • #2586765

          isn’t that

          by shellbot ·

          In reply to I thought you kept your heffalumps

          where ya go to get a nice meal??

          ]:)

        • #2585316

          Makes sense

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to Heference……

          What do you do with the Woozles?

        • #2598509

          I was wondering where you were.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Makes sense

          I knew the resident Poohaphile would have something to say on this topic.

        • #2598381

          They made me work this week

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to I was wondering where you were.

          And last week too! And I will just bet that they will want me to work NEXT week as well!

          Oh the inhumanity! *sob*

        • #2598496

          Heh! Heh! Heh!

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Makes sense

          They get cleaned up by the Woomba

          http://tinyurl.com/348toe

        • #2598379

          Not Woozles

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to Heh! Heh! Heh!

          As you clearly don’t recall your Winnie the Pooh, Heffalumps and Woozles are the bad dreams you have when it is a blustery night, you’re all alone, and you’re thinking of a snack.

          Then you get visits from bouncy Tiggers. Then your night is pretty much shot.

          It’s all in the book.

        • #2598360

          Oh. Yeah

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Not Woozles

          Had lunch at Scotch Buck’s and had an extra shot with my coffee. Must have gotten carried away by the punishing discussion that preceded my post.

          Time to get my Tao back.

        • #2598335

          Getting your Tao back :)

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to Oh. Yeah

          “Those who have no compassion have no wisdom. Knowledge, yes; cleverness, maybe; wisdom, no. A clever mind is not a heart. Knowledge doesn’t really care. Wisdom does.”

          “When you wake up in the morning, Pooh,” said Piglet at last, “what’s the first thing you say to yourself?”
          “What’s for breakfast? said Pooh. “What do you say, Piglet?”
          “I say, I wonder what’s going to happen exciting today?” said Piglet.
          Pooh nodded thoughtfully.
          “It’s the same thing,” he said.

          “Lots of people talk to animals,” said Pooh.
          “Not that many listen though.”
          “That’s the problem.”

          Piglet sidled up to Pooh from behind, “Pooh!,” he whispered.
          “Yes, Piglet?”
          “Nothing,” said Piglet, taking Pooh’s paw. “I just wanted to be sure of you.”
          (thanks, Mick)

          “Rabbit’s clever,” said Pooh thoughtfully.
          “Yes,”said Piglet, “Rabbit’s clever.”
          “And he has Brain.”
          “Yes,” said Piglet, “Rabbit has Brain.”
          There was a long silence.
          “I suppose,” said Pooh, “that that’s why he never understands anything.”

          In the imagination of a child, everything is real and understandable and achievable. It is only with the passage from childhood to adulthood that this is irrevocably lost. – TiggerTwo

        • #2598308

          In the imagination of a child

          by michael jay ·

          In reply to Getting your Tao back :)

          I saw this passion in my kids, and now in my grandchildren. Life moves forward and never back.

          Kinda sad, but posts like yours make my day.

          Pass the eye wipes.

      • #2586541

        Kewl-THIS one reply/post I made goes 15 deep

        by ontheropes ·

        In reply to Reference links?

        in just a matter of a few hours while…

        Nevermind.

        (cue in the violin music)(cue in the fire)

    • #2586627

      poor Palmetto…….

      by jdclyde ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      He must be knocked just about senseless after the troll feeding that has been going on in here….. :0

      • #2586614

        I don’t think it’s the usual sort of troll (plus edits)

        by neilb@uk ·

        In reply to poor Palmetto…….

        WhyMeWorry had been around for over a year as a normal peer (whatever THAT means for THIS site!) :p

        He’s not been reamed before now but he just seems to have fallen over the edge one day, got his main account canned by Beth for racist comments and then got his new account jumped all over by the Usual Suspects when he came back for a moan about it.

        Seems that H-1B visas for Indians is his blue touchpaper.

        Just goes to show that there are times when you need to back off, chill, have a curry and a pint of Cobra!

        Neil 😀

        I know I gave him a bit of a kicking back up aways but I think that he’s one of those people with a real blind spot for how he comes over at times. It is possible to resurrect yourself on here but he has got to tone down the racism and – maybe – crawl a bit.

        I suspect that I won’t lose sleep over it.

        By the way, I never asked. I knew that Dwarf and Blackadder would go down well but how did you and the Things get on with the League of Gentlemen?

        • #2586600

          No gentlemen here…

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to I don’t think it’s the usual sort of troll (plus edits)

          Just a bunch of people enjoying berating an individual.

          It’s funny.

          Given the fact that most of us in IT are introverts, and many of us were the subject of ‘dogpiles’ growing up, it amazes me that a little more lattitude not be granted towards folks who mispeak.

          We’ve probably got a few folks in here with Asperger’s syndrome as well. Some people with AS make Rosie O’Donnel look like the poster girl for tact and taste.

          (now before anyone gets all over MY backside, I have AS myself)

          C’mon now.

          The response to WMW has been WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY out of preportion, which leads me to believe that some folks in here are just enjoying the opportunity to attack someone.

        • #2586594

          WTF are you on about :D

          by tony hopkinson ·

          In reply to No gentlemen here…

          Attack people for fun on TR.

          Surely not.

          You’ll be suggesting some people continue to make contentious posts on the same off topic in order to rant at them next. 😀

        • #2586592

          With all due respect, Richard…

          by beth blakely ·

          In reply to No gentlemen here…

          You very obviously didn’t see what he wrote before it was edited. I have utter faith that if you had you would gladly feed him to the dogs.

          I’ve been dealing with this joker for over a month now. I tried to handle the matter privately to avoid this very situation. Unfortunately, WMW couldn’t be persuaded to behave by my very professional private email.

          He chose instead to up the ante by wreaking havoc on the community under several (like 20 or so) assumed identities and to insult a particular race of people over and over and over. It was hate speech, pure and simple.

          Now I’ve alerted “the regulars” by entering into this discussion to help me combat this sucker. Why? Because it’s YOUR community that he’s affecting.

          I suggest that if you don’t like what’s going on here you just take your own advice and quit beating a dead horse. We understand your perspective.

          Or not. Whatever!

        • #2586587

          Beth, I think Richard is still stinging from a previous thread

          by faradhi ·

          In reply to With all due respect, Richard…

          He was jumped on pretty quickly and viciously because of a post that was considered insensitive by others. The response may have been disproportionate to the offense but he hit a nerve on others and myself.

        • #2586583

          Ah! That makes sense

          by beth blakely ·

          In reply to Beth, I think Richard is still stinging from a previous thread

          Thanks for the possible explanation. I totally understand. You guys can be vicious! 😉

        • #2586575

          Another point Beth

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Ah! That makes sense

          I think he missed the part about this not being a single incident, but, as you said, going on for a month with multiple accounts AND attempts by you to let him know what is and isn’t acceptable in this community.

          It is a slightly different case when you actually know something?

          AttaGirl. Keep up the good work. We see and appreciate it. 😡

        • #2586522

          Vicious us??

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to Ah! That makes sense

          I think you got the wrong people!! 😀

        • #2586510

          Agreed..

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Ah! That makes sense

          And its Steffi who has shown a particularly vicious manhating streak. Poor Dmambo had to leave, and Palmetto suffers headaches.

          James

        • #2586503

          :0 moi??

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to Ah! That makes sense

          I’ll have you know I’m an angle!! 😉

        • #2585268

          Yes, of course you are!

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to :0 moi??

          Acute angle. Good one, Steffi.

        • #2586494

          No. Not you, Steffi

          by captbilly1eye ·

          In reply to Ah! That makes sense

          I couldn’t tag this response to Steffi’s last comment ’cause no one has shown me how to get past the Max Message thing and I haven’t figured it out yet 🙁

          Anyway… Steffi, I think what you meant was that you are an ‘Angel’.
          …and that is true by any ‘angle.’ 🙂

        • #2585404

          You mean like this?

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to No. Not you, Steffi

          But nope I really meant angle because I’m definitely no Angel! ]:)

        • #2585304

          There! I done it. nyah nyah

          by captbilly1eye ·

          In reply to You mean like this?

          gotta confess, tho…
          I didn’t do it on my own. 😉

          anyway…. I changed my icon. You like?

          I was reading the discussion the other day and thought about friends i’ve lost. … the least I can do. for now.

        • #2585299

          Why so you did!

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to There! I done it. nyah nyah

          I think that this qualifies you for something but I surely don’t know what yet.

          Changed your icon??? Still the multiple flags to me.

          Your friends remain alive and vibrant as long as your memory lasts and you can pass them on to others. Part of the joy of living.

        • #2585297

          Look closer… 5th flag.

          by captbilly1eye ·

          In reply to Why so you did!

          .

        • #2585260

          Have no clue why

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to Look closer… 5th flag.

          But invisible to me.

          I hate it when that happens!!!

        • #2585252

          Same file name

          by captbilly1eye ·

          In reply to Have no clue why

          so maybe your seeing the copy in cache.

          No biggie. But I’ll bet if you empty your IE cache and revisit the site, my icon changes so that it now shows a ribbon after the US flag. Or forget about it and it’ll eventually load in again anyway. 😉

        • #2598377

          NICE!!!!!

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to Same file name

          I love the creative pink ribbon icons!

          Hmm. An idea formeth. Perhaps this year for the pink ribbon brigade I can get TR to do a contest thingie for the most creative use of a pink ribbon in an avatar.

          Oh Beth!

        • #2585303

          Edited by Poster

          by captbilly1eye ·

          In reply to You mean like this?

          ooops…. duplicate… LOL.

        • #2585302

          Oooops… ROFL

          by captbilly1eye ·

          In reply to You mean like this?

          I feel so toopid.
          I didn’t think it worked at first so I ended up making two duplicates. too funny.
          …now I need to have a way to delete. 😀

        • #2585314

          Now your just taunting me…

          by captbilly1eye ·

          In reply to Ah! That makes sense

          …and being mean 🙁
          what did I do ta deserve dat?

          Man! I was just goin’ by the SP pic.

          If you are an angle, you definitely are not right. Perhaps obtuse… 🙂

        • #2585171

          OBtuse? Nah!

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to Now your just taunting me…

          I’m acute angle 😉

        • #2585118

          Okay

          by captbilly1eye ·

          In reply to OBtuse? Nah!

          based on the SP pic, I have to concede.
          you win.

          😀

        • #2585073

          Hee Hee

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to Okay

          I just love compliments 😀

        • #2585312

          I’ll figure it out eventually… ;\

          by captbilly1eye ·

          In reply to Ah! That makes sense

          I feel like I’m da only one who doesn’t know how to do this… rrrrrrrr

        • #2586560

          I don’t suffer from “It’s all about me” syndrome.

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Beth, I think Richard is still stinging from a previous thread

          That matter is over, as far as I’m concerned.

          What I am concerned with is where this community is heading as a whole.

          I’ve been around (mostly lurking until somewhat recently) since before the date on my account. This is my second account. I created it after I forgot the login name of my first one. I remember the original interface of this site….

          What I see as of late is a GENERAL hostility that I don’t recall.

          I saw some of WMW’s posts and they were over the top…some by alot.

          Fine.

          Ignore him, ban him, but DON’T FEED THE TROLLS.

          He’s got folks in here so whipped up that many are sinking to pretty low level, and not just with him. The bad attitude is infecting the community in general.

          It’s that attitude that I would like to see corrected.

          If it means banning WMW or anyone else who is disruptive, so be it.

          But seriously, do you think that keeping him around to be used as a punching bag is GOOD for the community?

        • #2586535

          DON’T FEED THE TROLLS

          by beth blakely ·

          In reply to I don’t suffer from “It’s all about me” syndrome.

          Richard, I could not agree with you more on this point. And no, I don’t think bashing–generally speaking–is good for the community. My point to you was, believe it or not, this jerk had it coming.

          If you’ve noticed, though, this thread has already moved to other topics… Like the health of the community and Warner Bros. cartoons! 😉 The rage is generally short lived and the nature of the beast.

          And, may I say, thanks for being a reasonable human being during this discussion. It’s so refreshing.

        • #2585255

          “It’s so refreshing.” — Relative to this discussion, or to Richard?

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to DON’T FEED THE TROLLS

          [i]And, may I say, thanks for being a reasonable human being during this discussion. It’s so refreshing.[/i]

          Do you want to insult Richard, or everybody else?

          :^0

        • #2585357

          It seems that [u]you[/u] are most actively stirring the pot.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to I don’t suffer from “It’s all about me” syndrome.

          This gives the impression that you deliberately seek to atrract attention to yourself.

        • #2598572

          and yet, you are the one who continues to snipe, DS

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to I don’t suffer from “It’s all about me” syndrome.

          If you think I’m out for attention, I suggest you ignore me, thus depriving me of what I want.

          Given the fact that you continue to engage me, I doubt you believe what you’re posting.

        • #2598331

          Grow up; move on.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to and yet, you are the one who continues to snipe, DS

          .

        • #2586565

          Missing my point entirely.

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to With all due respect, Richard…

          I am not saying that his posts should not have been edited or that his account should not have been fragged. You’ll not find a single instance of me defending word one of his posts.

          What I don’t understand is that if you KNOW he’s causing problems, why is he not being banned on site every time he pops up?

          Is it because it’s more ‘fun’ to attack him?

          But at least I get to sit back and watch the crowd with pitchforks and torches storm the next castle.

          with all due respect to you, madam; this is not the community I joined in 2002, nor it’s previous incarnation I had joined earlier than that.

        • #2586532

          Don’t get snippy with me, Mr!

          by beth blakely ·

          In reply to Missing my point entirely.

          For your information, he IS banned every time he starts causing problems. And if he chooses to create a new identity and behave himself then he can be a part of the community.

          You’re entitled to your opinion about the community and free to participate or not.

        • #2586501

          Not being snippy…

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Don’t get snippy with me, Mr!

          …nor am I threatening to take my ball and go home.

          I find both to be a total waste of time, effort, and energy. In return, I’d like to be spared subtle (or blatant) invitations to leave when I mention something I believe to be harmful to the community.

          But please, don’t call me Mr. It makes me feel old, and I’m dealing with that enough already.

          I mentioned this to someone else, but back in the days of Usenet (and the BBSes) we treated folks like that with what was called a PISS, or a Passive Ignore, Simultaneous Strike.

          It’s good that you are taking care of the disruptive individuals, it makes the community far more enjoyable, and certainly a far better resource.

          The cold sholder always works better than bringing out the flames. If you’re dealing with a real troll, he gets bored. If you’re dealing with someone who just gets carried away, they moderate their tone when they see that the behavior results in their being ostricised.

          All anyone can really do in here is post words on a screen. I’ve had far worse than that done to me and I seriously doubt that I am alone in that regard.

          We are professionals, we’ve all handled worse than the worst online troll. Ignore them and they do go away.

          That is not to say that the moderators and owners of TR should not act according to their interests with regards to banning, moderating et al. I am simply saying that it does no good to feed the trolls.

          Trolls want one thing: attention.

          If one attacks a troll, one gives said troll attention, albeit negative attention.

          What a troll can not stand is being ignored. When he is, he usually resorts to extremely outlandish behavior in the hopes to get an avalanche of attention once more.

          I’m not making any demands or threats, nor am I being snippy or sarcastic. If It comes out that way, I apologize and can assure you it is not intentional.

        • #2585414

          Hello Pot? This is kettle…

          by beth blakely ·

          In reply to Missing my point entirely.

          If you’d like to compare our dedication and concern for this community, bring it on. I’ve been with TR for over seven years and I love it.

          When I said “with all due respect,” I meant it. I was trying to explain my point of view. When you said “with all due respect, MADAM,” it read as quite sarcastic and condescending. Further, you assumed I wasn’t doing my job by getting rid of the idiot, but you were wrong. Both of those things ticked me off.

          When I said you could choose to participate or not, I meant it. You’re free to do either. We’d be happy if you stayed, but hey: This is the community, warts and all.

          I work hard every day to try and make it the best it can be. Most people here know that. You are cordially invited to believe that or not.

          I’m finished going back and forth with you. You get the last word, so go for it!

          Peace be with you!

        • #2585405

          No desire to go back and forth with anyone

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Hello Pot? This is kettle…

          which is of course my point.

          Once again if my tone seems sarcastic, I apologize, it is quite unintentional.

          I mentioned before that I have Asperger’s Syndrome, and while I have made great strides with regards to communication, I do have a problem with coming accross as sarcastic or condescending when I am not attempting to be either.

          I respect the work you do and am not belittling it in any way. I made no assumptions about your duties or whether or not you are derelict in them, as I assume that you are not the only moderator.

          If my posts led you to believe otherwise, then again, I apologize. My use of the term ‘madam’ was also not intended to be offensive. I simply have not engaged you prior to this, and as such did not presume to adress you by your given name absent a screen name.

          Perhaps I should go back to lurking, as it seems that I have not progressed quite so far with my social skills as I had hoped.

          Peace to you as well.

          I do believe that you and the rest of the folk at TR are doing a fine job. I have enjoyed my tenure here, the recent exchanges notwithstanding.

        • #2585370

          Oh sure! Make me LIKE you!

          by beth blakely ·

          In reply to Hello Pot? This is kettle…

          LOL
          Richard, this has been a bizarre conversation for me. I think you’re doing fine

          I believe we’ve been victims of trying to have an emotional conversation in print. Some things just don’t translate. I think you’re trying to be a smart aleck because I’m a smart aleck! Classic projection.

          Don’t get paranoid about your social skills based on me, for Pete’s sake! Stick around! Keep posting! You’ll get used to the crew and they’ll get used to you. It’s a really great group once you get to know them.

          Right gang? Right? Now, let’s put on a show to save the old Mill!

        • #2598323

          Clap if you believe in fairies!

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to Oh sure! Make me LIKE you!

          We can save Tinkerbell! We CAN!!! All you have to do is believe in fairies! If you believe in fairies, clap your hands!!!

          Richard only needs someone to understand that he is not trying to be objectionable. And cooler heads to point that out.

          I think that I can own that POV- Richard and I had a nasty little exchange on another thread that was really about how deeply we BOTH feel about the subject matter. In the end, we both shook hands, like grown-ups do and forgave the other.

          What has been missing is that I have been swimming in the water cooler for awhile now and Richard is new here.

          Richard is okay. the world simply doesn’t need the WMW’s. Richard didn’t get why we are so reactive, maybe he still doesn’t.

          What I have learned about this community that sets it apart from any other I have been a part of is that we truly CARE about the health of the board and will go to extraordinary lengths to communicate that. WMW was as damaging to the life of this board as cancer- his hatred painted all of us in colours that we do not wear.

          We are a family of sorts. Maybe that is more obvious to me because of all the ribbons I wear in the names of survivors from this board as well as the names of the angels. I feel the sense of family intently and daily.

          WMW is a festering wound to my family- people I care about. I am grateful you ban him as quickly as you can identify him.

          Family should stick together.

          Keep it up, Beth. You do good things.

        • #2597147

          I DON’T BELIEVE IN FAIRIES!!

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Clap if you believe in fairies!

          Although I approve of the rights of fairies to be fairies, I don’t believe in the existence of fairies!

        • #2585120

          Thank you ma’am.

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Hello Pot? This is kettle…

          I tend to be a bit of a classical geek when it comes to emotional issues. I’m a bit like Mr Data from STTNG.

          you know….

          IF WMW = idiot then
          ignore him
          else
          engage him
          end if

          I also seem to have a bit of that ‘foot in mouth’ syndrome

        • #2585351

          Banishment is [u]reactive[/u].

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Missing my point entirely.

          What summary action(s) would you have TR take to both predict & control one’s future behavior here?

        • #2598435

          There’s nothing they can do other than to deal with it when it happens

          by big ole jack ·

          In reply to Banishment is [u]reactive[/u].

          Unfortunately so, as in the case of that Why Me Worry? fellow. Or, TR could always hire a bunch of psychics from Miss Cleo’s hotline to predict such future incidents from happening.

        • #2598330

          Precisely!

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to There’s nothing they can do other than to deal with it when it happens

          A fact seemingly overlooked by Richard.

        • #2598415

          *** Burns strawman***

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Banishment is [u]reactive[/u].

          Obviously, you are just looking for someone to fight with, thus proving my point.

          And now, to practice what I have been preaching.

          Good day sir.

          I shall not engage you further.

        • #2598329

          Promise?

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to *** Burns strawman***

          Does this mean that you’ll also stop beating a dead horse?

        • #2597063

          Way to go.

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to *** Burns strawman***

          You may have a cookie.

          😀

          Criminy!

        • #2586581

          I find that the group here does not jump on someone

          by faradhi ·

          In reply to No gentlemen here…

          Unless they deserved it. I did not read dude’s posts but I am confident that the group is not overreacting.

          I myself have engaged my mouth before my brain in some discussions and have been berated. What I have not done is whine about it like this guy. Neither, have I created alternate personalities and stoke the flames sort of speak.

          For the most part, the people on this board are reasonable. However, they do tend to react harshly to a lack of respect towards the community.

        • #2586557

          How about not jumping on folks at all?

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to I find that the group here does not jump on someone

          What purpose does it serve?

          and what defines “deserving it”

        • #2585388

          Defining “Deserving it”: I will use the Court’s test

          by faradhi ·

          In reply to How about not jumping on folks at all?

          that is used to define Pornography.

          It can’t be defined, but you know it when you see it.

        • #2585349

          It’s called self-discipline.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to How about not jumping on folks at all?

          Perhaps you’ve heard of the concept; here at TR, we employ it.

        • #2585135

          Obviously, you are not using any.

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to It’s called self-discipline.

          If you did employ the self-discipline you claim to have, you would not have felt the need to engage in such bandwagoning.

        • #2598327

          Grow up; move on.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Obviously, you are not using any.

          .

        • #2585340

          why post

          by tony hopkinson ·

          In reply to How about not jumping on folks at all?

          an opinion, or an interpretation of fact, or even an outright lie, on this site if you don’t want a response?

          Someone disagrees in a response, ‘you’ disagree back.

          Get into it a few other’s join in….

          You should see what happens when I start airing my socialist principles. I get nailed by several of the regulars, if it bothered me , I’d keep my gob shut.

        • #2585072

          One can respond without being hostile.

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to why post

          Is that not so?

        • #2598326

          Some do not respond to gentle & polite persuasion.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to One can respond without being hostile.

          X-(

        • #2585263

          It’s not [i]”what”[/i] it’s [i][u]”who”[/i][/u] heh,heh.heh, heh. ;) B-)

          by sleepin’dawg ·

          In reply to How about not jumping on folks at all?

          .

        • #2589335

          You must mean “whose”, dawg.

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to It’s not [i]”what”[/i] it’s [i][u]”who”[/i][/u] heh,heh.heh, heh. ;) B-)

          [i]How about not jumping on folks at all?
          What purpose does it serve?[/i]

          My question is not “What purpose…”, but “[b]Whose[/b] purpose does it serve”, just in general. I don’t div a sham about the git here pig-piled, but in general, what’s the point? Whose interests [b]are[/b] served, when we all waste our time thus?

        • #2585382

          Presumptuous.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to No gentlemen here…

          Do not ascribe to others those traits which you see in yourself.

          Kindly refrain from presuming to speak for others.

        • #2585105

          Take your own advice.

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Presumptuous.

          I am stating what I see.

          Nothing more, nothing less.

        • #2598424

          Then your eyeglass prescription needs to be updated. You are……….. X-(

          by sleepin’dawg ·

          In reply to Take your own advice.

          definitely not seeing the whole picture and/or are missing the point. Why this should be so is anyone’s guess but Richard_RPU could well be just another nom-de-plume for WMW. Who’s to say? Who’s to know? But I’m very adverse to anyone choosing to side with a racially, bigoted, hate mongering scumbag like WMW.

          You’ve played the [i]fair play card[/i] and it has been considered and rejected as being non viable.. Continual harping on it is becoming annoying and indicates a level of obsessive compulsive paranoia that serves no good purpose, least of all for yourself. You’ve made your point and have ridden to the defence of the supposedly poor misunderstood down trodden, which BTW, I can assure you, WMW is most definitely not and now it’s time for you to drop it and back off or suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous misfortune that comes to all who offend the [i]amour propre[/i] of the majority here.

          [b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

        • #2598325

          Perhaps if you’d stop looking in the mirror, …

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Take your own advice.

          You see nothing at all; you see only that which you desire to see.

        • #2587365

          Take yours.

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Take your own advice.

          You have said that you think WMW should be able to [b]say[/b] what he wants.

          Quit your titty-baby whining about others who [b]say[/b] why they think TR was right to edit over his posts.

        • #2587251

          Preaching to the deaf.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Take your own advice.

          For him, advice walks a one-way path.

        • #2596401

          What? Did somebody say something?

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Preaching to the deaf.

          You’re right. At least with this one, I detect less likelihood of being back-sassed than, ahem, with a certain other character on a certain other thread in which we showed that atheists did evolve from apes, and that zealous young Earth creationists have not.

        • #2596201

          Now, though, what to do re. …

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Preaching to the deaf.

          TonyTheTiger?

          He vacillates between what gives the appearance of being genuine curiosity & and clinging to tightly held beliefs.

        • #2603685

          Tony has been a bit of a surprise of late.

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Preaching to the deaf.

          His stance on a couple threads has been less Old Liberal than I had expected. I’m for challenging him on the claim that science teachers are over-emphasizing science. I recall that in “The Last Word …” thread, he made reference to “hammering” some perspective or another toward science into young minds. I think that claim calls for verifiable documentation.

        • #2587822

          “Old Liberal?”

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Preaching to the deaf.

          I’m hard pressed to recall anything that he’s said that would have suggested “liberal” to be an apt description.

          It’s his “I don’t know anything for certain, therefore [i]you[/i] [u]cannot[/u] know anything for certain, therefore all knowledge is relative” mantra that puzzles me.

        • #2598893

          deepsand, I should have said “classic liberal”

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Preaching to the deaf.

          Tony does seem to lean toward freedom, but it may just be that he leans away from the stupidest forms of wasteful government regulations, and because there are so friggin many of those I give him more credit than he deserves.

        • #2598846

          That’s about right.

          by tonythetiger ·

          In reply to Preaching to the deaf.

          [i]Tony does seem to lean toward freedom, but it may just be that he leans away from the stupidest forms of wasteful government regulations, and because there are so friggin many of those I give him more credit than he deserves.[/i]

          but I am curious as to what credit I am given that I don’t deserve (I certainly don’t want it if I haven’t earned it).

          and Sandy,

          I often seek advice in my life’s journeys. So I am confused by the comment.

        • #2598662

          Tony: Re. “I am confused by the comment.”

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Preaching to the deaf.

          If you will be more specific re. the comment in question, I’ll be happy to try to clarify.

        • #2598651

          Tony: Good point.

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Preaching to the deaf.

          Tony: [i]…but I am curious as to what credit I am given that I don’t deserve (I certainly don’t want it if I haven’t earned it).[/i]

          Only you know if you deserve it, my agreement is of secondary importance at most, and I was presumptuous to reference the concept “credit”. I apologize.

        • #2598647

          This one

          by tonythetiger ·

          In reply to Preaching to the deaf.

          “For him, advice walks a one-way path.”

        • #2600560

          Oh, Tony, that was about Richard_RPU

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Preaching to the deaf.

          .

        • #2600559

          Ok. Thanks

          by tonythetiger ·

          In reply to Preaching to the deaf.

          .

        • #2600552

          So, Tony, are you now un-confused?

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Preaching to the deaf.

          If so, can you tell the rest of us how to become likewise?

        • #2586591

          Sometimes, salt is what a wound CALLS FOR.

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to I don’t think it’s the usual sort of troll (plus edits)

          [i]Just goes to show that there are times when you need to back off, chill, have a curry and a pint of Cobra![/i]

          Enjoying foreign cuisine is an excellent way of beginning to appreciate foreign cultures. Except for British cuisine. You pretty much have to like British culture without any assistance from the ‘cuisine’.

          :p

        • #2586551

          We love the Brits

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Sometimes, salt is what a wound CALLS FOR.

          despite their cusine

        • #2586536

          Hey! Pot! Over here! This is kettle calling…

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to Sometimes, salt is what a wound CALLS FOR.

          I won’t take criticism of British food from the Yanks! You’ve taken all of the World’s best foods and morphed them into your own image and I’m not sure that too many of them have benefited!

          I would offer the cheeseburger, Pizza Hut and the hot dog as examples of the Americanisation of something good. There are many, many more!

          The most notable culinary lesson from my trips to the States is to say – trust me in this – it does not make food any closer to haute cuisine if you melt crap cheese all over it!

          😀

        • #2586534

          If you’re going to criticize us…

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Hey! Pot! Over here! This is kettle calling…

          Go after American Beer….

          It’s a much easier target than our cusine.

          Though I do agree on Pizza hut.

          Still, the cheeseburger, especially the confection from that great establishment “White Castle”, is an artform in and of itself.

        • #2585308

          White Castle???

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to If you’re going to criticize us…

          I can hardly stand to drive down a street with a White Castle on it. When I first moved to the Midwest, a friend insisted that White Castle was the perfect food. Yeesh!!! It was awful!

          In later discussion we concluded that it likely has much to do with where I was raised. White Castle was an adult experience, while Midwesterners have had access to this commodity since childhood.

          Now the In N Out Burger is truly a masterpiece!

        • #2585068

          I’ve heard about In N Out…

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to White Castle???

          It’s supposed to be the best of the best, from what I understand.

          But White Castles……

          They must put something in them to make them addictive.

          I can only assume that you did not have a sufficient dosage to cause you to become addicted.

          I’m told people have an easier time kicking a heroin habbit than curing white castle addiction.

        • #2585069

          I’ve heard about In N Out…

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to White Castle???

          It’s supposed to be the best of the best, from what I understand.

          But White Castles……

          They must put something in them to make them addictive.

          I can only assume that you did not have a sufficient dosage to cause you to become addicted.

          I’m told people have an easier time kicking a heroin habbit than curing white castle addiction.

        • #2586533

          Neil..bite your tongue!

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Hey! Pot! Over here! This is kettle calling…

          Melted cheese product on anything is not only good, but good FOR you. Have you HAD a croissan’wich lately?? Hmmm??

        • #2586517

          I think the croissanwhich is vile

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Neil..bite your tongue!

          What microwaves do to croissant’s is a sin against nature.

          Couple of datapoints:
          1) Heard on the news a survey showed the favorite food of Britains is….currie.

          2)The epic “Harold and Kumar go to White Castle” was primarily filmed in and around Toronto. There are no White Castles here.

          3) What Americans and Canadians often put on fast food (burgers and croissanwhich) is commercially known as cheese food, because it is so processed they can’t call it cheese any longer.

          Melted real cheddar makes many things taste good.

          James

        • #2586500

          Yep….

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to I think the croissanwhich is vile

          1)I live and work in the areas they supposedly drove through on their quest to find White Castles…

          If the movie had occured where they said it did, the whole thing would have been ten minutes long.

          2)Microwaved Croissants are slightly less palattable than wet cardboard

          3)Cheese-food is SKEEEEERY! I always wondered “Cheese food, is that what Cheese eats?”

          Given point #3, what do you suppose Cheese WHIZ is?

        • #2585407

          I actually recognized

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to I think the croissanwhich is vile

          Many of the “west of Toronto” locations.

          The scene where they are on the cliff wityh the hanglider, I know that actual spot. And from that spot you can see the road where the mythical White Castle is. There is actually a gas station there.

          The first White Castle I’ve seen was in San Diego. I could be mistaken but I think I saw one in Vancouver. We don’t have anything like them in Toronto.

          James

        • #2586512

          Bite my tongue?

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to Neil..bite your tongue!

          I’d rather EAT my own tongue than some of the things that I had on my plate on my recent vacation.

          Neil 😀

        • #2586509

          Don’t worry Neil

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to Bite my tongue?

          I love good old British food!! In fact sometimes I would cut off my own arm for a pub lunch, or a nice pan of Scouse!

          Them Americans don’t know what they’re talking about!! 😉

        • #2586507

          I agree

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Bite my tongue?

          I’d probably rather eat your tongue than some of the crap that comes out of fast food restaurants.

        • #2585395

          It all depends

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to I agree

          on how it is prepared and the seasonings used.

          I will NOT eat at mcdonalds. ewwwwww!

        • #2585361

          I’m lost for an answer to Mae

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to It all depends

          I’m still reeling over the prospect of Mae eating my tongue

          Even if it’s just so she doesn’t have to eat McDonald’s

        • #2598517

          food for thought, neil

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to I’m lost for an answer to Mae

          or thought of food, depending on your point of view…

          http://www.cooks.com/rec/doc/0,1627,152190-232206,00.html

          if she starts looking at THIS one, I would run if I were you ….

          http://www.cooks.com/rec/doc/0,161,153169-224199,00.html

        • #2598487

          She already has my heart

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to food for thought, neil

          The combination of black gear, red lippy and a writing style like the strike of a Cobra and I’m lost…

          😡

        • #2585126

          Neil is at a loss for words

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Bite my tongue?

          I rock!

          And that was my FIRST smile this Friday morning.

        • #2585119

          Mae! Mae!!

          by gadgetgirl ·

          In reply to Neil is at a loss for words

          Screenshot – quick, before he edits!

          :p 😀

          GG

          ]:)

        • #2585115

          GG..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Bite my tongue?

          He wouldn’t do that, would he?

          Better safe than sorry. Should I be worried that I’m getting my kicks this way?

        • #2598525

          There is nothing wrong

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to GG..

          with delighting in the plight of others. Who needs reality tv when you have reality? 😀

        • #2598519

          The Germans have a word for it (as you should well know!)

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to There is nothing wrong

          schadenfreude /ˈʃɑdnˌfrɔɪdə/
          ?noun
          satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else’s misfortune.

          It’s my hobby…

          And Mae’s…

        • #2598514

          oh, how terribly true….

          by gadgetgirl ·

          In reply to There is nothing wrong

          Isn’t it, oh dearest one……

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=225457&messageID=2257871

          Made my day!

          thanks for that! – Have a wunnerful weekend!

          😡

          GG

        • #2598500

          There’s more rain heading your way, babe

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to oh, how terribly true….

          Better get out your very highest heels just in case the floods get up any more.

          😀

          Have a good weekend!

        • #2598598

          JD? No recipe required..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Bite my tongue?

          Raw is fine.

          Neil..better quit being so nice, it will ruin my good opinion of you.

        • #2598336

          It’s true. I DO have Neil’s heart

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Bite my tongue?

          I keep it in a jar on my bedside table.

        • #2597214

          That’s what YOU think

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to It’s true. I DO have Neil’s heart

          What you have was actually removed from a pig so that you would THINK it is mine. Trust me in this, my heart is made of pure flint.

          Neil 🙂

          OH NO! Another dead animal post.

        • #2597176

          Neil..I’m sorry, but you’re wrong

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Bite my tongue?

          The label on my jar clearly reads NEIL’S HEART.

          So, there you go. You just can’t argue with such rock solid proof.

        • #2585334

          Hi kettle!

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Hey! Pot! Over here! This is kettle calling…

          How ya doin?

          Guess what? I’ve never even been to Britain, just heard the jokes about your food and decided to see what you’d reply. You’re a very witty chap.

          Cheers.

        • #2585311

          If you ever come over

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to Hi kettle!

          I would like to treat you to some traditional British food.

          It had better be a curry. 😀

          And a beer or two to wash it down.

          Soapbox warning!

          Actually, until just a twenty or so years ago, the jokes were totslly justified on the whole as British restaurant food was mostly rubbish – poorly cooked “French” or “Italian” missing the point of both in that that good ingredients are needed for good food.

          Home-cooked food tended to be mostly bland with overcooked vegetables.

          The last couple of decades we have become hugely food-conscious and the quality of restaurant and home-cooked food has gone up across the board and the number of international cuisines that we get right is now what it should be.

          We still do damn good curries though.

        • #2597092

          I’m looking for a copy of EL

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to If you ever come over

          & I seem to recall you & maxwell discussing the transmission of a copy of that piece of sh*t. Do you have? If not, do you know if she does?

        • #2597066

          Alas, no

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to I’m looking for a copy of EL

          Just after it was announced that it was to be deleted I went to get a copy for my archive and found that they’d trimmed it and all of my posts – among others’ – had disappeared. I lost the will to bother…

          Max may well have a copy.

        • #2585205

          BTW, starting from the “cuisine” of a pile of British Puritans …

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Hey! Pot! Over here! This is kettle calling…

          adding a bit of cheddar delivers a substantial improvement to a great many recipes.

          (The rest of them just can’t be helped!)

        • #2600588

          The difference between cuisine and food

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Sometimes, salt is what a wound CALLS FOR.

          Pub food isn’t bad at all. Of course, I’ve never been sober when I’ve eaten in a pub…

          I think British cuisine never caught on in the US because of the names. No self-respecting American is going to eat “Toad in the hole,” “Bangers and mash” or “Spotted Dick.” Of course, some of use that have been there and had it do occasionally miss it.

      • #2586590

        I’m fine, but where’s WMW?

        by charliespencer ·

        In reply to poor Palmetto…….

        Maybe he really was trolling, but I remembered my Kevlar brain-bucket this morning. I notice he hasn’t posted anything today, on this or any other topic. He still has a profile, so I assume Ms. Beth didn’t have to drop the bomb on him again.

        • #2586585

          Actually…

          by beth blakely ·

          In reply to I’m fine, but where’s WMW?

          I did. The profiles remain. The access goes bye-bye. We’ll see how long the peace lasts.

        • #2586559

          Good

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Actually…

          maybe this place will calm down.

        • #2585390

          I think you missed the point

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Good

          that this is far from the first account of his that she has disabled, yet he just keeps making new accounts and coming back.

        • #2585172

          richard

          by shellbot ·

          In reply to Good

          in my opinion this has been one the milder discussions..
          i’ve seem them a lot worse than this..

          this place only ever calms down on holidays

          ]:)

        • #2598324

          Thank goodness it’s almost Father’s Day!

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to richard

          😉

        • #2598469
        • #2585269

          Don’t look now…he’s back below!

          by big ole jack ·

          In reply to I’m fine, but where’s WMW?

          Man your battle stations…it aint gonna be pretty

        • #2598505

          Apparently not for long.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Don’t look now…he’s back below!

          BOJ, I saw the posts you’re referring to, but they’re gone now. My guess (and only a guess) is that Beth send him down the porcelain water slide again, and that she’s doing what the Soviets used to do when a premier died. Who is this “Worry” you seem to know too much about, comrade?

        • #2598321

          And this time she sent his Profile packing as well!

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Apparently not for long.

          In the past, she’d merely blocked his access.

        • #2598314

          Correction: She zapped [u]all[/u] of his profiles!

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Apparently not for long.

          A “People” search now returns [b]no[/b] member names containing the string “worry.”

          They’re still there, of course, as evidenced by the fact that the links here embedded in his posts are still active; but, that’s the only evidence that he ever existed here.

      • #2585313

        Emailed him a hard hat

        by tig2 ·

        In reply to poor Palmetto…….

        Knew it would come to this!

    • #2586519

      This is a property rights issue

      by crashoverider ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      I believe in total freedom of speech but when you are on TR website you are on private property just as if you walked in to someones home. The owner of the home can and most likely will set rules and if you violate those rules you will be subject to the consequences.

      So what can you do? Well in a free market you can set up your own competing business and set your own rules for that business if your business is better i.e. no moderation total freedom of speech people may choose your business over your competitors business. I am not condoning the actions that the moderators take but it is their right because they have been entrusted with that power by the owner.

      I also believe that the same rights should be given to the TV or radio station owners but mommy government does not see it that way in the current political climate. This is one reason why the radio and TV stations are hurting because back years ago they did not stand up for their rights and fight when they should have.

      • #2585338

        Correction: That ^ is a property rights *solution*.

        by absolutely ·

        In reply to This is a property rights issue

        The ‘issue’ is failure to understand, recognize, and fully respect that one party’s property rights (TechRepublic, here) are not equivalent to the other party’s free speech rights (WMW, in this case, but this argument will be played out a couple more times before it’s settled & well-understood). WMW & its cronies argue as if they really believe they have a [u]right[/u] to speak freely on TR’s property.

        They are mistaken.

        [i]I am not condoning the actions that the moderators take but it is their right because they have been entrusted with that power by the owner.[/i]

        You don’t need to ‘condone’ anything. It is their property to use by their standards, not ours. The moderators are employees, doing a job for money. The owners assigned them that responsibility because it’s in their financial interests to do so. Professionals don’t want a forum littered with racist diatribes because it’s not only a waste of our time, it’s insulting to our hard work to suggest that we should exclude other races from free competition.

    • #2585265

      Good grief! :0

      by nicknielsen ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      I go away for two days and what should have been a forgettable side thread has become a major with over 200 posts!

      Isn’t that horse dead yet?

      • #2585169

        Thing is Nick

        by steffi28 ·

        In reply to Good grief! :0

        I’d say at least 75% of the thread is about other stuff, I mean theres been bugs bunny talk, breaking the maximum post talk and of course as always impure talk! I think we just got bored of talking about trolls! 😉

        • #2598609

          I put my 2pf in, Stef

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Thing is Nick

          Finally got a chance to actually sit and veg this morning. Lord, what a week, over a thousand miles already as of Thursday lunch!

          Edit: ventilated post after brain fart

        • #2597195

          Speaking of changing the subject, why “2pf” ?

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to I put my 2pf in, Stef

          I know, or at least I think I know, that “2pf” is an abbreviation for “tuppence”, but whence the “f” ?

          Idle minds want to know.

          ]:)

        • #2597158

          pf = pfennig

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Speaking of changing the subject, why “2pf” ?

          The German penny. As Steffi is (was?) in Germany…

        • #2597130

          Ahh the old german currency

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to pf = pfennig

          The Deutschmark was much better than the Euro, and all the Germans agree with that too!

          Still in Germany return to England in mid August to do the last year of uni 😀

          And then (fingers crossed) there will be a permanent move back here bringing hubby with this time 😀

        • #2597071

          Ohh?

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Ahh the old german currency

          [i]The Deutschmark was much better than the Euro, and all the Germans agree with that too![/i]

          Better how? Have they made the bills easier to fold?

          :p

        • #2597072

          Thank you, Nick.

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to pf = pfennig

          🙂

      • #2598486

        Deceased Equines

        by charliespencer ·

        In reply to Good grief! :0

        I haven’t see a horse die here yet. I think they’re all immortal. This sucker does seem to have taken on a life of it’s own. Hopefully the double-nuking of Worry by Beth will give it a good case of hoof and mouth disease, and the impending weekend will put it out of our misery.

    • #2585261

      Freedom of Speech != saying whatever you please..

      by mylittlemansanidiot ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      Freedom of speech comes with a certain amount of responsibilty of the speakers part to state things in a diplomatic, and inoffensive manner. It doesn’t give you the right to say whatever you please.

    • #2598493

      Freedom of speech in The Land of the Free

      by neilb@uk ·

      In reply to Freedom of speech is nonexisten here on TR from what I see.

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6751777.stm

      I would suggest that this law is pants but that would be such a bad pun. So I won’t.

      • #2598571

        Dress is not equal to political speech

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to Freedom of speech in The Land of the Free

        Have you seen these dumbasspunks dressed like this? It is REAL funny. They HAVE to grab their pants to keep them from falling down to their knees. They end up (instead of looking cool or tough) like little kids to when they have to go the the bathroom REAL BAD and are holding themselves.

        This was a blip on the news a few daze ago, but nothing big, and nothing racist. I personally see more whites dressed like this, but that is because there IS mostly whites in the area? hmmmmmm. And most of these are not from poor urban areas, but are having fun running around pretending “they-be-gangstas”. So much for the future generations, when scum rappers are glorified and idolized.

        • #2598471

          I have a very clear picture of you…

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Dress is not equal to political speech

          You’re standing in your front yard, you have on shorts, a wife beater, black socks and dress shoes and you are shaking your fist at kids in the street and yelling “hey you kids, get off my lawn..”

        • #2598466

          Hey you kids…..

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to I have a very clear picture of you…

          ….get out of that Jello Tree….

          Couldn’t help it that just came to mind.

          James

        • #2598454

          um

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Hey you kids…..

          sorry, but it doesn’t ring a bell. Guess [b]I[/b] am not old enough to have heard this.

          Mae, can you explain this for me? 😡

        • #2598450

          Some people never learn

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to um

          Duck, JD , Duck!

          James

        • #2598443

          Quack quack

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Some people never learn

          What James? I don’t understand. I just asked a valid question, and because it was clearly from a precious generation, (or so) I figured Mae would know! 😀

          [i]duck and run, duck and run….

        • #2598406

          You..my dear, are an enormous liar..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to um

          Have too heard of it.

          And I will remind you..you are NOT that much younger than me.

        • #2598400

          jello tree?

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to You..my dear, are an enormous liar..

          A side note, from the time I was 9 till I moved out on my own, we did not have a TV in our house.

          I even did a quick google search, but didn’t find out anything.

          And even if it were only a DAY younger, it would still be younger….. :p Don’t hate me for my outer beauty…. 😀

        • #2597178

          That’s not why …

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to jello tree?

          “Don’t hate me for my outer beauty….”

          Oh? What reason do you prefer?

        • #2598389

          Not the jello tree

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to You..my dear, are an enormous liar..

          just the generic old man yelling at kids..you know, the ‘get off my lawn’ man.

        • #2598280

          I agreed with yours Mae

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Not the jello tree

          it was the jello that lost me.

          now get off my lawn…

        • #2597141

          Before pudding pops

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Hey you kids…..

          In the late 70s, before Cosby show, Bill did a commercial for Jello, where they had a tree full of various jellos in fruit shaped molds.

          Cosby’s famous line was: “Hey you kids, get out of my jello tree” in an old man kinda yell.

          I KNOW I am not the only one who remembers….

          Fess up.

          James